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Tom Salter
15-12-2003, 06:02 PM
I went to hte NTSC-uk meet at Marcus's place the other weekend, and got a lift down with our forums' DavidFallows, who introduced me to the charms of the Neo Geo world. I'm seriously, seriously tempted with dabbling in the uber-expensive Neo world.

However, at ~200 a game, how satisfied are you with your purchases? For a beginner, what titles should I get that I won't be seriously disappointed with? Which bargain titles are worth picking up? Also, how do the games compare to, say, the Dreamcast versions?

Treble
15-12-2003, 08:13 PM
Some kind, genius-like person wrote a really good article here (http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?fea=NeoGeoFutureIsNow)...
;)

I also posted a ream of stuff elsewhere, which I'll try and get for you.

lordcookie
15-12-2003, 08:14 PM
They are expensive but they are damn fine pieces of hardware too. Its worth the money just for the aesthetics of the machine, lovely lines and a nice satisfying click when you plug in the carts.

You can pick up some decent fighters at reasonable prices like Sam Sho 1 and 2 and the Fatal Fury series wont set you back more than ?20 a game.

You cant totally compare it to the DC ports though as a lot of the earlier releases havent been ported over. The likes of Waku Waku 7 are much better on the neo geo compared to the Saturn version, but is it worth the extra expense? probably not, but I had always wanted an AES machine anyway so can always find a way of justifying a purchase for it.

I havent played too many games for it (as it is an expensive hobby) but the Metal Slug series is brilliant and I always enjoyed the Fatal Fury series too.

jethro jazz
15-12-2003, 09:54 PM
ive just got into the AES scene and i would say it is very much worth it. i only have fatal fury special (cost me ?25 shipped) and samsho 2 (?21 shipped). both of them are highly enjoyable and it is a lovely piece of hardware. i would say go for it :D

Ex_mosquito
15-12-2003, 10:41 PM
I'd go the MVS route if i were you, the money you'd save on Metal Slug X alone would buy you an mvs board and supergun, also get the "universal bios (15quid)" and you can enable AES mode on the MVS cart.

Yes thats right, MVS carts have the home cart built in! (pause and option menu etc..) All you're paying for it the damn box.

Metal slug 1: AES ?1000+
MVS(with the aes built in) ?40 approx

The cheapness of MVS carts just goes to show how much AES collectors are being ripped of just for "rare" games. Pointless, like an orange:)
At the end of the day if you want to play games go the MVS route, and If you're a collector (BAH!) and wanna pay 10094476 times more just a pretty box go AES.

I know what i'd rather buy

Geezer
15-12-2003, 10:45 PM
The MVS+supergun route is definitely worth it(plus the RGB picture is fantastic). AES is too if you can stomach those sort of prices for the less common games/newer releases.
As for me, I'm sticking to MVS for now, I know they're not as pretty on the shelf but the price advantage more than outweighs that downside in my books :)

My current faves are Last Blade, KOF 98/2000, Samsho 2 and Real Bout Fatal Fury Special. There's quite a few good Puzzle games too, Puzzle Bobble(MVS only), Magical Drop 2 and Puzzle de Pon are the ones that come to mind instantly. None of these will break the bank in a big way on AES and are really cheap on MVS.
I like all the Slug games(haven't played 5 yet) but Slug 1 is waaay overpriced(?1000+ I think) imo, so if going AES get a conversion for ?150ish :)

I'd say that you couldn't really go wrong with any of the titles I've listed and there's plenty more good ones out there :)

Geezer
15-12-2003, 10:52 PM
A few examples of prices I've paid on MVS:

Last Blade+Samurai Showdown 2-?25 delivered
Last Blade 2 $28+shipping
Real Bout FF Special-$15+shipping
Real Bout FF 2- $18+shipping
KOF 96-$16+shipping
KOF 98-$27+shipping
KOF 99-$10+shipping
KOF 2000 w/ art set-$56+shipping
Samurai Showdown-$15 shipped
Magical Drop 2-$18+shipping

Geezer
15-12-2003, 10:55 PM
At the end of the day if you want to play games go the MVS route, and If you're a collector (BAH!) and wanna pay 10094476 times more just a pretty box go AES.


Pretty boxes for MVS carts can be found here:

http://www.netreach.net/%7Escop/

8)

muddy
16-12-2003, 07:58 AM
AES. not really worth it, you can spend all that money on a lot of other (better) games.

MVS. now we're talking. sensible money for games that seem to get people misty eyed and highly excitable, but in the cold light of day, aren't that amazing. ok, Metal Slug series does rock, but besides that...

i've sold both my Neo Geo AES and MVS. i just didn't use them.

remember kids, just my personal opinions.

Dj Lucky Strike
16-12-2003, 08:13 AM
To be honest I own every single neo conversionn on Saturn dc etc.

I had a neo cd when they 1st came out, then got rid because of the unbearable loading.

I have just entered the game and purchased an aes.

I have 5 games and after a ridiculous amount of searching, and I suppose cash I have just won one of the best fighters ever on Ebay!

Rage Of the Dragons.

The format is superb everything fom the snap lock boxes to the whole experience of owning the game as it's meant to be played.

2d fighters are my favourite genre and I am gaining so mucj pleasure from buliding up a collection.

Do it!!

:D

Tom Salter
16-12-2003, 08:15 AM
Some kind, genius-like person wrote a really good article here (http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?fea=NeoGeoFutureIsNow)...
;)

I also posted a ream of stuff elsewhere, which I'll try and get for you.

Aye, I've read your stuff, it's where I started :)

So the general consensus is that the AES stuff just ain't worth it?

Dj Lucky Strike
16-12-2003, 08:16 AM
the aesthetics of the aes are very expensive.

But priceless in my eyes.

Geezer
16-12-2003, 10:08 AM
To I have 5 games and after a ridiculous amount of searching, and I suppose cash I have just won one of the best fighters ever on Ebay!

Rage Of the Dragons.


When you say just won, have you actually received the game yet?
I hope you played this one before buying :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ex_mosquito
16-12-2003, 12:18 PM
Pretty boxes for MVS carts can be found here:

http://www.netreach.net/%7Escop/

Yeah, i picked up some of those the other week :)



The format is superb everything fom the snap lock boxes to the whole experience of owning the game as it's meant to be played.


- The Experience of owning a game?:l
- NEOGEO games start off in the arcade(MVS) not at the home, why is AES how they're meant to be played? these are arcade games, they're meant to to played in an arcade on a cab:)

johnkiddier
16-12-2003, 12:27 PM
I too read Treble's article and after hearing loads of people harping on about the neo I decided to purchase an MVS board.

I was fully expecting to be disappointed - after all the hardware is ancient and the games are pretty old.

I had been trying to get into CVS2 on PS2 but somehow it just didn't click with me. The presentation felt cheesy and I didn't like the controls :o

After thinking that the SNK characters just felt more stylish somehow, I opted for King Of Fighters '98. This game is amazing! Everything from the art style to the pace of the game itself is superb.

The one thing that I think shines through on the SNK fighters is the sheer personality. Characters are beautifully drawn and animated with real care and attention to detail.

Unsurprisingly these games make you feel like you are 12 years old again and back in the arcade :D especially when playing on MVS hardware with a real arcade stick. The insert coin noise alone is enough to send shivers down your spine.

In short, take the plunge and go for MVS. If you like it you can always sell for the same as you paid and invest in the AES if you wish to collect.

The graphics obviously can't match the likes of Guilty Gear XX but the fact that people still choose to PLAY them - not just collect - is testament to their amazing playability.

Commander Marklar
16-12-2003, 12:50 PM
I read the topic title as "Neo Geo owners, are they worth it?" like a Kilroy (http://www.robertkilroysilk.com/Neo+Geo+Owners/Are+They+Worth+It/) special or something :lol:

In answer to your question? No :blink:

Brats
16-12-2003, 01:30 PM
At the end of the day if you want to play games go the MVS route, and If you're a collector (BAH!) and wanna pay 10094476 times more just a pretty box go AES.

This kind of somes it up really, although I think there is no right or wrong answer. If a millionaire bought a Rembrant for ?20 million, is he a fool because he could have bought a print of the same painting for ?1,000?

Tom Salter
16-12-2003, 03:44 PM
Due to the kinda guy I am...I think the MVS is the wrong route to go down. I hear the AES hardware is pure sex-in-a-console, which hasn't aged at all.

Aren't the MVS's a complete pain to get hold of (a decent one, anyhow) whereas the AES is like, plug and play?

Geezer
16-12-2003, 03:54 PM
Due to the kinda guy I am...I think the MVS is the wrong route to go down. I hear the AES hardware is pure sex-in-a-console, which hasn't aged at all.

Aren't the MVS's a complete pain to get hold of (a decent one, anyhow) whereas the AES is like, plug and play?

MVS boards can be found pretty easily, I got mine on eBay for ?36 plus ?10 courier delivery and its in really good condition. My Supergun only cost me about ?40 in parts(or you can buy one premade) and a stick was about ?30.
If you only want to play neo games don't bother getting a supergun and mvs board separately, get a consolized 2 slot pcb as seen here:

http://www.sgrepository.com/modules.php?name=gallery

I went supergun/mvs board but at some point I'm gonna sell my set up and consolize a 2 slot :)

dataDave
16-12-2003, 06:22 PM
Stay away from t3h Neo ports. Jesus. Buy a Supergun if you really want to play the games. MotW, KoF'98, KoF'99 when emulated on my PC run 10x better than the DC versions.

MVS = Excellent games, Cheaper, presentation is not as sexy.
AES = Excellent games, Expensive, presentation is pure sex, drug-like.

That's all I can say to sum up the already mentioned.

All these classics can be found for less than ?30 on AES:

Samurai Shodown
Samurai Shodown 2
Fatal Fury Special
Art of Fighting 2
Fatal Fury: Real Bout
King of Fighters '94
King of Fighters '95
Super Sidekicks 2

Those are the titles you need to start off your collection. You'll probably never need to buy another cart again - however, you know that they're there, and they're ready and waiting for when you have the cash. 8)

And yes, the more expensive games are worth it. I hardly tend to ever step across the ?100 mark when buying a game, however, even if they're not worth it - they can be sold on for next to no loss at all. I did that with KoF'02.

Geezer
16-12-2003, 06:34 PM
Stay away from t3h Neo ports. Jesus. Buy a Supergun if you really want to play the games. MotW, KoF'98, KoF'99 when emulated on my PC run 10x better than the DC versions.


Gotta reiterate this. I played LB2 and the KOF games on the DC and Saturn and felt nothing, Garou was pretty good on DC, then I played them on Kawa-x for the Xbox, it was brilliant!!! Thats what made me get an MVS set up which is even better, nothing compares to playing Neo games on the original hardware, be it MVS or AES :)

Molloy
16-12-2003, 09:24 PM
No hassle emulation for me. Playing on a cabinet with good sticks would be a far higher priority for me than the packaging.

Treble
18-12-2003, 11:03 AM
I have a lot of thoughts on AES ownership in part two of my Chaos Reigns article, due up next week. There's no right or wrong here, just opinions.

Tom Salter
18-12-2003, 11:14 AM
Yeah, your article is making me think more about getting one :D

Roll on payday!

Treble
18-12-2003, 02:04 PM
Right, found it. Hope this is of use:


- Price range

Between ?170 and ?200, dependant on condition and whether it's boxed or not. As the joystick comes with the system, remember to ask about its condition as well as the machine.

- Where to start games wise

Some of the best, low-priced games are Samurai Spirits 2, Magician Lord, Baseball Stars 2 etc. Tell me a preferred genre and I can be more specific. Probably the most essential title for under ?100 is either King of Fighters 98 or Samurai Spirits 3.

Over that, Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Metal Slug Series, Pulstar and Blazing Star etc. are the daddies, but frighteningly expensive. Start on the cheaper games - many of them are just as good as the really expensive ones.

- Region lock out and censorship issues

There is no region lock-out. Early speculation over KoF 2002 suggested a feature would be implemented, but it turned out to be a ruse. All games will work on all versions of the console. However, the game always defaults to the region the machine is from, i.e. play a US game on a JPN console, and the text will be in Japanese.

This isn't normally a problem, as you can normally change text to English, but censorship is an issue: US and PAL consoles remove the 'blood and bouncy' from the games. This name comes about from the fact that Mai's boobs bounce in Japanese copies of KoF, and nowhere else (bizzare censorship! She doesn't get 'em out, they just jiggle a bit. Well....a lot ), and the blood is removed or changed to a white colour.

- Any potholes that need avoiding

As above, getting a US or PAL machine will censor the games automatically unless you have a debug BIOS chip installed (basically, a chip that allows you to change settings such as region, as well as access number of credits, DIP switches and even things like switching the standard from two player turn-taking to co-operative). In SVC Chaos, the debug chip allows you access to all the hidden boss characters in the game from the select screen, without having to enter codes.

Also, it's prudent to avoid getting a PAL machine, as some are easy to mod into 60hz, whereas others are a nightmare. Mine is PAL, and was a mere wire snip, whereas other board revisions need you to alter the timing crystal >_<

Some boards on various regions of the machine also have poor RGB output. If you can, ask the seller the serial number and compare it against this chart here:

http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/neoav.htm

I'd advise you get a Japanese machine first if possible, US after that (if you do get US, buy a debug chip. They're only about $15 from Neostore.com, and relatively easy to fit).

There's loads more I can tell you, but digest that for now and ask me any follow-ups you need.


QUOTE (brian @ Nov 26 2003, 06:48 PM)
I heard of a convertor that lets you play mvs carts on an aes. Does such a thing exist. I noticed that this would be quite handy with game such as mark of the wolves as the mvs versions a lot cheaper.
Also, instead of buying an aes would buying an mvs jamma thingy not be a good alternative, you can mod them to work on tvs cant you? are there alot of disadvantages to doing this?
Sorry for stealing your thread


A convertor does exist, yes. A high initial outlay (I think they are somewhere between ?100-?200, but it's been at least a year since I last looked). They are called Phantom convertors and are basically bridge adaptors. There used to be reliability issues, but I think this may be fixed:


QUOTE ("neo-geo.com's glossary")
The main thing the Phantom1 has which most of you know by now is the ability to play the Newer MVS carts that have heavy encryption coding on them that the older type converters were not able to play those games.



From this, I'd say the P-1 sounds like a good purchase. It all depends on what you want. MVS carts have little-to-no value in terms of collectability and don't come with proper boxes or inserts (you get cab inlays and marquee presentation displays. Pic below).



Here is a pic of the forthcoming Metal Slug 5 kit. Also bear in mind that MVS kits (as they are called) are as expensive as, if not more than, AES releases when they first come out. If you want a title on release, expect to pay the same as an AES owner, but for the value to plummet soon after. You're better off waiting a year to 18 months for the value to drop if you are MVS collecting.

Another thing to bear in mind is that some later games are only available on JAMMA format and not MVS standard, meaning that they won't play on an AES through a convertor. This is rare, however. My knowledge is patchy over this, but I know SvC Chaos was originally JAMMA only, but they are releasing an MVS version now anyway.

So, on the plus side, the games are much cheaper and all are available (some MVS releases such as Captain Tomaday and the first Shock Troopers never got an AES release).

As for an MVS compatible setup, something like a Supergun would be needed, unless you are knowledgable enough to build your own. These give RGB to your TV for an extra outlay of about ?20. If you build your own, you'll need to source the parts, build a stick and test the output to ensure the signal works on your telly. You need a JAMMA board, an MVS slot, a sound amp and a PC power supply. Then a case to put it in. And some home-built joysticks.

A Supergun costs about ?200, iirc. You have the added benefit of having a JAMMA loom, which is basically a set of wires that allow you to connect normal arcade PCBs to the thing as well. They are ugly as ****, but do a damn good job. Get one from here:

http://www.arcadeheaven.co.uk/supergun.html

In summary:

CONVERTOR: expensive (have to buy the console, then a convertor), and the games have little value to collectors, but are cheap and all Neo Geo games can be bought. Also, you can choose to buy AES games too.

SUPERGUN: Plays all Neo MVS games and also JAMMA boards (so you can get arcade games as well), but is butt ugly and very obtrusive, plus extra joystcks can be a hassle unless you know what you are doing.

AES: cheap(ish) to buy, but games can be horrifically expensive. Games harder to get as well, although far more collectable and likely to increase in value in many cases.

It's all down to what you want out of the games. Look at the plus and minus points, and decide which is right for you. I can elaborate on all the different types of options, if you need more info or links, etc. And, tbh, I'm always happier talking about the games themselves than the hardware

QUOTE (Jim Miles @ Nov 27 2003, 06:22 PM)
I have a Jap Neo Geo AES, and haven't been able to buy any games yet, so haven't really needed to test it. I know I'll need a stepdown converter though. Is there any other power supply that works? I heard the Megadrive one but I checked it and believe it is the wrong voltage and ampage.

So what power lead do I need to play a Jap Neo Geo AES over here? And what video lead is advised?

Thanks people!


"People"? What do you mean, "people"?! I'm the only one answering these questions. Bow to me!

*ahem*

Anyway, you need a 9v, 1.2a PSU. Telegames do one for about ?14-?15, as do places like ARD Electronics. As I'm so nice, I even found the product code for you:

300-00120

VGI do excellent RGB leads with a 3.5mm jack for full stereo:



Made by my excellent technician friend, Saurian. Look under the hardware section for Neo Geo hardware, as above. As you have a Jpn AES, it'll be full RGB out of the box. I know ?30 for a PSU and an RGB lead is a lot of cash, but they're both really worth it.

Any more questions, just ask ^^

QUOTE (Gozaimas)
Just to add my confimation to everything Treble has said. If only all forum posts were as knowledgeable, accurate and complete.



Good to know my hours spent trawling the net for Neo info when I could have been looking for porn weren?t totally wasted

I had forgotten about that Silver Shadow monster ? what a glorious beast that is. Just shows that you can get an attractive MVS machine, if you look in the right places.

Nice cab setup and, by crimminy, you got some good AES deals in the past. Jammy git

I?ve done a new article on SvC and Neo ownership in general that takes an inside look into the mind of the AES obsessive, warts-and-all. It also contains a really good interview that anyone vaguely interested in all things Neo should check out. It?ll be up on NTSC-uk pretty soon, so I?ll post a link when it is.

I agree with your points from a distanced perspective, but no-one can say one route is any better than the other, tbh. It's all about what you want out of the experience - yes, shock boxes and inserts you get off the net are all well and good, but they don't compensate in terms of collecting. They are all home made bits of gear, and aren't of interest to 'proper' collectors.

As me, you and Gozaimas have said, AES games can be really expensive, but it really does depend on what you want. You could get a lot of cheap AES games, spending under ?80 for each (and around ?30 for many) and get a superb collection. I got my Viewpoint for around ?100, and it now goes for around ?170-180. Playing well in the market often means getting serious collector's items that increase in value, and this shouldn't be underestimated.

Metal Slug is a bit of a cruel example
You'd struggle to find another game that commands such high prices, and we're only talking 4-5 games that'll cost more than the usual ?200-?250, like Neo Turfmasters, Ninja Masters and the European version of Kizuna Encounter.

As Gozaimas says, you have to be careful not to become addicted - it sounds stupid, but it's entirely possible. If you keep a level head, there are a lot of bargains to be had.

If you are the kind of person who wants Sega Direct Border Down, De La Jet Set Radio, mint-with-spine Radiant Silvergun etc.; generally, the best and most unusual/rare version of a game you can find, you'll probably sway towards the AES.

If you just want to play the games but still in their original arcade incarnations, definitely plump from some sort of MVS machine. Looking at the options, Superguns seem like a cracking idea, especially as you can fit a JAMMA loom and get playing classic arcade PCBs as well.

Some of that won't make sense, as it contains answers to questions and replies, and links and pics are missing too. The full thread can be found here (http://www.rllmuk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22654&st=0).

dataDave
18-12-2003, 02:21 PM
My Samurai Shodown II (Euro) just turned up this morning. It's in better condition than my last one.

Real do's. :p

I brought my Neo into work to give it a try but my scart cable still hasn't turned up yet, those Royal Mail sluts! Get it together!

EDIT: heh, I am t3h DON!!1 clicky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3065828094&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:UK:6/)

Super Monkey Balls
18-12-2003, 06:21 PM
I honestly would rather be without all my other consoles than without my AES at the moment. I :wub: my AES and it's a common disease i'm afraid. I started with a NGCD because "Paying hundreds for a game is sdupid" but I got sick of the loading times and didn't fancy an untidy Supergun set-up. Started out with cheap carts and saved for my favourites. I do enjoy the saving up aspect (like being a kid again) and boy do you get your moneys worth with a snap-lock!
It's a difficult console to start with if you don't know the games though so if you do plan to start out in the fast lane so to speak, get teh romz to try before you buy.
I'm still all for the MVS route though. AES is a waste of money, (but a good one, like alcohol or drugs or summat) Playing the games is what it's all about at the end of the day.

MD
20-12-2003, 04:09 AM
Are Neo Geo owners worth it? Nah I would take them back to the shop and get a Megadrive owner or something. :P

Still if the original question was

Are Neo Geos worth it, question for the owners then I would say so.

MVS is nice and good for playing some of the newer games for but a lot of the older titles for AES can be bought very cheaply. ^_^

Most AES games will hold their price very well, so if you do decide to sell them then you are unlikely to loose out, although some of the more expensive cartridges can be a bit tricky to sell on... ^_^;

At the end of the day its all about collectability, bunch of MVS games wouldn't impress a collector, bunch of AES games (even really old ones) would probably impress them more. ^_^

(For the record I have about 14 AES games, not paid more then ?60 for any of them. ^_^)

Streets Of Rage
20-12-2003, 02:50 PM
i recetnly received my consolized mvs system and its sweet, cost me ?200 for the unit with all leads and 2 sticks (one old style, one new style), so a similar outlay to the AES to start with, however i got the following games as well

Garou: MOTW
Robo Army
Last Blade 2 (in shockbox with reprinted cover and mini marquee)
Blazing Star
Samurai Shodown 2
Aerofighters 2

and i have paid ?120 for all 6, if one of the AES owners would like to price that lot up on AES id be grateful, to show the difference in price for what is essentially the same game, AES is really only for collectors and those anal about box and artwork, its up to the individual i suppose but MVS certainly makes financial sense :D

Jashin
20-12-2003, 03:06 PM
Hmmm. I can see where you're coming from, but to my mind, the boxes and artwork are an important part of the Neo experience, as sad as that sounds. There are various books full of SNK posters, adverts and cover artwork, some of which are really lush. Personal favourites include the artwork to Pulstar, Blazing Star and the original Fatal Fury.

It's hard to put into words, but I can give a personal example from my AES collecting. Although I have collected AES games for some time, I now have every single Neo game pre MS4 on my X-Box via emulation. However, I continue to buy the originals. It's difficult to justify this to other people, but the atrwork etc has a big part to play in this. I know that's not rational, but there you go. Perhaps I'm anal after all :)

Streets Of Rage
20-12-2003, 04:48 PM
i know what ur saying, ive got xbox emu discs, but they've barely been played, i just have to be playing originals

i love MVS though, the carts are chunky and rugged, and it feels cool when it comes up with insert coin, gives the real arcade experience

on a side note i just beat Garou for the first time without continuing :wub:
(it was on level 1 but i have to start somewhere :lol: )

579800 pts with Jae Hoon

buster_broon
21-12-2003, 02:13 PM
:D :D :D

here is my take on things

i have had a neo in my life (mostly) since 1992, but around the year 2000 i decided to get into the mvs market because i wanted cheaper newer neo games

but my 6 months in the mvs side was a nightmare, dont get me wrong listening to my electrocoin arcade machines speakers was amazing and mostly it was fine but what annoyed me was the bootlegs, sorry bootlegging is rife in the mvs side and i reckon on ebay 80percent of all sales are of bootlegs - so in the end i sold all my stuff off, which i thought was original and even then some were bootlegs

the aes (for me) is the way to go, why confuses me is why mvs owners feel they have to parade around telling everybody they pay less but they try to dress the boring black cart up like a home cart by the use of a shock box, could it be envy - i dont know but AES is always the best choice even if you have to pay ??? more, i would gladly do that that buy a bootleg anyday

anyway back on track, for a while there the 'neo fever' got to me and i was buying everything i could see and i had a pretty sizeable collection (143 carts) which has now been reduced to around 80 carts which will reduce further to around 50 - decided to keep the games that i play rather than collect the games i cant (minosan, quiz kof etc etc)

i have bought every new release since kof 2000 and i have already pre-ordered slug 5, why do i buy it when its cheaper elsewhere, unsure but i think its to with the quality that comes from snk and gradually playmore has been getting it right and every new release is better than the last

other than the home cart system i have a complete uk neo pocket set and a complete cd collection which some rare art sets

my most expensive game thus far has been my prehistoric isle 2 conversion which by anybodies standards is just beautiful, but it wasnt getting the play time and my friend Joe (super monkey balls) should be taking great care of it and as for cheapest i have loads

MVS = cheap, bootlegged rubbish (mostly)
AES = mostly taken care of gems

for anybody going into MVS i stress try and snap up full kits from reputable sellers whihc matching serials then if there is a comeback at least the seller will help you out

please please MVS owners dont think i am trying to be elitist as anybody who knows me knows that i am not - but i have been an MVS collector and it just fecked me off that much that i had to sell up - too much hassle looking for original games

buster_broon
21-12-2003, 02:15 PM
on a side note i just beat Garou for the first time without continuing :wub:
(it was on level 1 but i have to start somewhere :lol: )

579800 pts with Jae Hoon

play fatal fury special on level 4 for a month and then go back to Garou

i reckon you would get around 10 specials and the rest being AAA ratings

its far too easy in teh stable of the garou family

dataDave
21-12-2003, 04:37 PM
on a side note i just beat Garou for the first time without continuing :wub:
(it was on level 1 but i have to start somewhere :lol: )

579800 pts with Jae Hoon

play fatal fury special on level 4 for a month and then go back to Garou

i reckon you would get around 10 specials and the rest being AAA ratings

its far too easy in teh stable of the garou family

I got a 'Miracle' rating on my first ever do. 8) - def. the easiest of the FFs. However - all fighters are designed to be played against human opposition.

Streets Of Rage
25-12-2003, 12:54 AM
i hear what ur saying broon, i was anxious when my Garou arrived to check it was legit but everything was okay inside thankfully, i try to stick with good sellers with good reps than take a risk elsehwere as bootlegs are more of a problem on the mvs side, i will probs end up going AES some day but right now i cant afford it, as the games i want, the metal slugs and etc are out of my price range on AES :pft:

buster_broon
25-12-2003, 10:16 PM
i will probs end up going AES some day but right now i cant afford it, as the games i want, the metal slugs and etc are out of my price range on AES :pft:

for me i agree that some games are way overpriced so when it comes to expensive games i have conversions

i do have a slug 1 coversion with a manual and it plays faultlessly

the most expensive cart i have is slug X which was bought Us brand new and i have been recently offered 600usd for it - which i declined

but believe it or not the most i have paid for a cart was a conversion and now Super monkey balls is taking care of it

set myself a bar and if a game goes over it i wont pay for it - plain and simple

Geezer
25-12-2003, 10:42 PM
As much as I've bitched about AES prices in the past, I've pretty much decided to get a dual set up now. Quite a few of the games are worth the AES price tags that they carry and for the rest I can just play them on my Supergun set-up. The best of both worlds :wub:

Super Monkey Balls
26-12-2003, 03:08 PM
As much as I've bitched about AES prices in the past, I've pretty much decided to get a dual set up now. Quite a few of the games are worth the AES price tags that they carry and for the rest I can just play them on my Supergun set-up. The best of both worlds :wub:A very good idea imo. That way you get to play the best versions of the games (as opposed to conversions, CD or roms) at super cheap prices and it's always easy if you suddenly decide you're a collector and fancy going a bit mad.

At the moment i'm happy buying a few converted carts for the silly priced games. If you're willing to do that you can get everything for under ?300. And if they're Deffty's work, they'll look like the real thing.
I plan on getting everything I want then saving to upgrade some of my conversions for the real thing (eg Pulstar) but i'm hoping I never go as far as buying a MS1 original, although a couple of years ago i'd never have dreamed of spending ?300 on a game so you never know. :rolleyes:
One thing I really hope I don't do though is start spending silly money on games I can't even play!

Tom Salter
29-12-2003, 07:57 AM
Okay, I've decided it's time to jump in. I'm about to go and pick up my AES with Art of Fighting 2, Samurai Spirits 2 and KoF 98.
(And 2 sticks!)

It better be good :P

Geezer
29-12-2003, 01:51 PM
Okay, I've decided it's time to jump in. I'm about to go and pick up my AES with Art of Fighting 2, Samurai Spirits 2 and KoF 98.
(And 2 sticks!)

It better be good :P

Since you're getting KOF 98 and Samsho 2 it's gonna be :D

Congrats :)

buster_broon
29-12-2003, 09:57 PM
Okay, I've decided it's time to jump in. I'm about to go and pick up my AES with Art of Fighting 2, Samurai Spirits 2 and KoF 98.
(And 2 sticks!)

It better be good :P

just to add the last comment, yes ss2 and kof 98 are superb

but aof2 is just as rewarding - but dont be disheartened - the game is fecking nails but stick with it and you might fight geese, if you're lucky

Tom Salter
30-12-2003, 06:50 AM
Excellent, I can't afford any of the big games yet so I hoped them 3 would be a good starting point, had a quick go on KoF98 which is excellent.

Waiting on my RGB cable from VGI though, should be here tomorrow! :D

Naiera
30-12-2003, 01:16 PM
Heh, I'd planned on starting out with those two games as well :) Getting SSII soon and then KOF '98 with the machine in about a months time, if all goes well ;)

Tom Salter
30-12-2003, 02:33 PM
hehe, Excellent :)

KoF98 is proving to be an absolute stormer of a game, and so is Samurai Spirits 2. Art of Fighting though, I coulda done without that one :P

Well, time to start saving for my first big title. I reckon it's gotta be a Metal Slug game, prolly 3 :D

Naiera
30-12-2003, 02:49 PM
I'll be going for MOTW after '98 and SSII. After that, it's probably MS4 or 5, as I had MS3 on MVS and now have it on the PS2 (PERFECT conversion, except for the higher resolution, as far as I can tell, and it's a pretty informed opinion, you know ;))

Tom Salter
30-12-2003, 03:00 PM
I'm very tempted by MOTW, but it's another fighter. I don't have that many friends I can seriously play fighting games with, so I think I'll have to dabble in the Run'n'Gun games :)

btw, is there anything else non-fighting thats worth getting?

WazMeister
30-12-2003, 04:13 PM
I not got a NEO GEO AES I dont know too much detail about them apart from they very expensive.


I have a NEO GEO CD though with a hell lot of games, do they still make games for NEO GEO CD (probley not.. I wish!).

Anyway What u think?

Treble
30-12-2003, 04:56 PM
I not got a NEO GEO AES I dont know too much detail about them apart from they very expensive.


I have a NEO GEO CD though with a hell lot of games, do they still make games for NEO GEO CD (probley not.. I wish!).

No, sorry. I think the last CD ROM game was KoF 98...maybe 99.


btw, is there anything else non-fighting thats worth getting?

Lol, loads! Take a look at all the screens here for a start (although bear in mind some are MVS only):

http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/screenshots/num-a.html

This'll give you an idea. You've got your run 'n' gunners like Metal Slug, platform games like Tophunter and Raguy, shooters like Last Resort, Pulstar and Twinkle Star Sprites, and a few sports games and the odd puzzler.

Pick a few ones you like the look of from that list, and people here can post opinions :happy:

Naiera
30-12-2003, 05:06 PM
No, sorry. I think the last CD ROM game was KoF 98...maybe 99.


It was '99. It sells for next to nothing, and it's dead easy to find unopened/sealed.

I LOVE Top Hunter. It's a great game. And it's not VERY expensive, although it's not exactly the most common Neo game...


I'm very tempted by MOTW, but it's another fighter.

I NEED to own the ultimate version of MOTW. It's by far my favourite fighter ever, and a couple of weeks ago I decided that I just could not go on, and NOT own it ;)

WazMeister
30-12-2003, 07:20 PM
My Neo Geo I love, bit upset with loading crap but overall its cool

I even bought a rare scart lead for it SNK in box.
I plug it in and its all RED image , its fine just all red. Whats the reason I love to fix it.........

Also alot my games are backups :( I starting to buy oringals tough to have a ultimate collection.

Treble
30-12-2003, 08:33 PM
Hmm......possibly got a Japanese SCART lead? If you bought it in box...and it's a Japanese box...we have a winner, I think ;)

WazMeister
30-12-2003, 09:28 PM
your right its jap box...
Never mind

Whys it go red? I woulda thought it work any region tv.. a wires a wire lol
can I cut a certain wire to get it working PAL lol


I thought NEO GEO was multi region I have NTSC backups in colour

Streets Of Rage
30-12-2003, 10:54 PM
boog try aerofighters 2 (sonic wings 2 on jap) its a 2d shooter which is mainly boss based, alot of fun, if short and difficult, i quite like it but i piad a tenner for it on MVS, no idea of the AES price, one of you AES heads help me out here? :p

buster_broon
31-12-2003, 12:01 AM
boog try aerofighters 2 (sonic wings 2 on jap) its a 2d shooter which is mainly boss based, alot of fun, if short and difficult, i quite like it but i piad a tenner for it on MVS, no idea of the AES price, one of you AES heads help me out here? :p

Sonic Wings 2/Aerofighters 2 would go for around 100usd
Sonic Wings 3 would go for arund 180usd, no Aerofighters 3 on AES cart but there is a Us neo cd version which is worth having

WazMeister
31-12-2003, 12:24 AM
I have all aero fighters on my neo, they rock.

Treble
31-12-2003, 08:30 AM
your right its jap box...
Never mind

Whys it go red? I woulda thought it work any region tv.. a wires a wire lol
can I cut a certain wire to get it working PAL lol


I thought NEO GEO was multi region I have NTSC backups in colour

The machine is region-free, yes (slightly different to multi-region, as there are no region locks built into either the machine or the software), but hardware standards are the same, and Japanese SCART is different from European SCART. It won't matter what region the machine is, only what region your TV is.

For a full explanation, with all the technical info you could ever wish for, post a question about it in Videogame Q&A, and watch as Papercut and MD blind you with science :happy:

My advice? Just sell the lead and get one that'll work with your TV from VGI:

http://www.aqog58.dsl.pipex.com/Tech/nglead.jpg

:)

Tom Salter
31-12-2003, 03:43 PM
My RGB lead from VGI arrived today :D

I'm 200 miles away though, can't wait to see my Neo in RGB :)

I'll try that Sonic Wings game mate, after MS3 though I think :)

Thanks for the recommendations all.

MD
02-01-2004, 05:35 PM
and Japanese SCART is different from European SCART. It won't matter what region the machine is, only what region your TV is.

For a full explanation, with all the technical info you could ever wish for, post a question about it in Videogame Q&A, and watch as Papercut and MD blind you with science :happy:


Japanese SCART is wired differently from Peritel SCART (the European one). Blame Sony for that one...

You could wire up a adapter or rewire the SCART lead or just buy a UK SCART lead...

Treble
02-01-2004, 05:37 PM
and Japanese SCART is different from European SCART. It won't matter what region the machine is, only what region your TV is.

For a full explanation, with all the technical info you could ever wish for, post a question about it in Videogame Q&A, and watch as Papercut and MD blind you with science :happy:


Japanese SCART is wired differently from Peritel SCART (the European one). Blame Sony for that one...

You could wire up a adapter or rewire the SCART lead or just buy a UK SCART lead...

Bing! We have a winner!!!!
You know what you win? A copy of PCE Shinobi (I found it a couple of days ago and will send it....honest!)
;)

gIzzE
04-01-2004, 12:52 AM
habe a look on www.gamesx.com to see how to re wire a jap scart to english.

I have a Blue phantom 1 converter that is boxed that I want to sell if anyone is interested before I put it in the classifieds ??

Naiera
07-01-2004, 10:06 PM
It seems I've bought my very own Neo Geo Home Cartridge System :blink: It's JAP, of course, and the serial is 067102 8)

I've got to make do with SSII, until I can afford KOF '98 at the end of the month...

Jashin
08-01-2004, 10:28 AM
Well with a serial number that low, you should have a lovely RGB picture. Enjoy :)

Naiera
08-01-2004, 11:28 AM
That's why I didn't just get one with a serial over 100k ;) game-baka-dai1 on eBay has had some fine deals on some "OK" looking unboxed consoles with an extra "kidney-controller", but I decided to spend about ?25 more on this one :D

And about the RGB... I'm happy I didn't order an RGB-cable from VGI, as it turns out I had an MD1 cable lying around :p

Under the Bed
10-01-2004, 01:57 AM
I must say that the Neo Geo as always scared the hell outa me. But reading this thread has sparked my intrest.

I didn't realise that some of the games were quite cheap :o .

My only taste of Neo Geo titles has come via Saturn imports like Metal Slug, Waku Waku 7, King of Fighter 95/96/97 and about half a dozen more fighters. I have enjoyed them all.

I was thinking of purchasing some of the DC ports are these still worth picking up or should i just leap into the deep end and go for Neo Geo console.

Naiera
14-01-2004, 06:16 PM
So it came today :D

I'm having trouble seeing what all the fuss about SSII is, though :blink: :ph34r:

Maybe it'll come to me, at some point. It's all I have to play on teh Neo anyway :p

Streets Of Rage
14-01-2004, 07:05 PM
Sam Sho 2's magic hasnt shown itself to me either yet, however its a good laugh in 2 players even if you're both crap and button mashing

however Garou's magic is painstakingly obvious as soon as you start playing it !!!

I picked up Sengoku 3 (US - full kit) Metal Slug (US - Cart Only) and Magical Drop 2 (Jap - cart only) the other day and am waiting for them to be delivered, cant wait for sengoku 3 in particular, streets of rage style loveliness that isnt as flawed as robo army ;)

dataDave
15-01-2004, 03:02 PM
I was thinking of purchasing some of the DC ports are these still worth picking up or should i just leap into the deep end and go for Neo Geo console.

Go for an MVS setup if money is a problem mate. Ports are trash IMO - I'd rather play t3h r0mz. I'm currently saving up for Last Blade 2 on AES, the final game I need to complete what I have ported on the DC.

Samurai Shodown 2 is probably the best game on the Neo FFS!! You bitches'd better REKOGNYZE!!!!

Tom Salter
15-01-2004, 03:05 PM
I've got Fatal Fury 2 on the way now, I really doubt I'll be able to afford anything really expensive for my AES.

But still, the chunky almost VHS-like carts look ace on your shelf :D

Jashin
15-01-2004, 03:12 PM
Fatal Fury Special might have been a better bet than FF2 mate - a better game, and still pretty cheap as well.

Tom Salter
15-01-2004, 03:38 PM
For ?21 delivered, it's pocket money :P

Jashin
15-01-2004, 04:26 PM
Next stop Blazing Star then :)?

gIzzE
15-01-2004, 04:35 PM
Blazing star is awesome :happy:

Pulstar is my favourite shooter ever :wub:

Streets Of Rage
15-01-2004, 04:46 PM
Blazing Star is awesome even if it owns me for free !! the bosses are mad !!

got KOF 95 and FF3 on the way at the bargain price of ?25 the pair, should be fun, my first KOF :o

Chadruharazzeb
16-01-2004, 11:33 AM
I was playing Baseball Stars 2 on Kawa-X last night. Most enjoyable.

:happy:

Naiera
16-01-2004, 01:27 PM
:dry:

Treble
16-01-2004, 02:05 PM
I was playing Baseball Stars 2 on Kawa-X last night. Most enjoyable.

:happy:

http://www.cmu.edu/cmnews/020411/020411_images/pirate.jpg

:lol:

dataDave
16-01-2004, 02:22 PM
Baseball Stars 2 is probably the best arcade sports game going. Unlimited fun that NEVER gets boring. Why oh why did I sell up before. :pft:

Chadruharazzeb
16-01-2004, 02:33 PM
Hey Mr Moneypants, I've not got the green to be spending ?500 on a single game! :p

dataDave
16-01-2004, 02:38 PM
Baseball Stars 2 US can be found in decent 'gamer' nick for around ?80 in p+p. That's if you can be arsed finding it. It took me 6 months to get ahold of a jap. one. Mind, when it arrived it was proper like-new! Then I sold it because I'm a ****.

Chadruharazzeb
16-01-2004, 02:51 PM
I wouldn't say selling it was indicative of a "****", more a clown :p

That said, people openly and proudly discuss using emulators on this site. So I shall to, dammit!

:ph34r:

RINGO
18-01-2004, 06:18 PM
I woke up got outta Bed dragged a comb accross my head, went down stairs and had a cup, and noticed that my neo aes had come.

Of course this was after paying ?20.45 parcel force charge (the bastards)

Top tip if u's do buy a neo make sure u allow for such a charge or do teh old mark the value down trick.

anyway for ?150 buy it now off ebay japan type scenario i got....

2x joysticks (one old style one new)
jap leads (i use my megadrive rgb lead and power supply)
the console (obviously)
and ART OF FIGHTING 2

and it looks great thru the RGB and ART OF FIGHTING 2 is supprisingly good very tough though (thats y i like it i guess

my advice yeah y not if ya got teh money

Ringo

Naiera
18-01-2004, 08:56 PM
Exactly the same package I had considered. But I wanted the right serial, so I couldn't get it as cheap as that :rolleyes:

Pavey
18-01-2004, 10:48 PM
Jusy got back from Japan where i saw an AES boxed for about ?75 and SNK vs Capcom for about ?100.
Kicking myself now i didnt get it,but i had too much to carry anyway.
Whats the going rate for an AES?

Geezer
18-01-2004, 11:20 PM
Ouch, you should've taken SVC, you would've probaly pulled in ?100 profit.
The AES price varies a lot depending on serial number, condition of console/controllers/box and presence of manuals/registration cards but ballpark would be ?150 maybe?

Pavey
18-01-2004, 11:24 PM
Whoops!

Naiera
19-01-2004, 04:09 PM
If you don't care about the box and you're willing to buy a console that's not mint, you can get one with an extra "kidney-controller" for about ?155 from Hong Kong or Japan. I think someone's already written that in this thread, though :blink:

RINGO
19-01-2004, 07:17 PM
yes they have

:D

buster_broon
20-01-2004, 09:00 PM
Baseball Stars 2 is probably the best arcade sports game going. Unlimited fun that NEVER gets boring. Why oh why did I sell up before. :pft:

cough Windjammers cough

ince
21-01-2004, 08:09 AM
where is the best place to get neo games nowadays

Super Monkey Balls
21-01-2004, 10:26 AM
ebay
neo-geo.com/forums
arcadeshock.com
neostore.com

dataDave
21-01-2004, 10:42 AM
Baseball Stars 2 is probably the best arcade sports game going. Unlimited fun that NEVER gets boring. Why oh why did I sell up before. :pft:

cough Windjammers cough

hoarder! :p As long as you're alive my chances of obtaining windjammers are slim.

Super Monkey Balls
21-01-2004, 11:33 AM
*Hugs FPD cart*

Just bought a NM RBFF for ?45 all in. ;)

dataDave
21-01-2004, 11:42 AM
*Hugs FPD cart*

Just bought a NM RBFF for ?45 all in. ;)

Bastos! That's a good price. I paid ?75 for mine a couple of years ago, which didn't include shipping as I went over to Wakefield to pick it up.

Fancy getting together for a couple of matches sometime? Whereabouts in Yorkshire are you?

Super Monkey Balls
21-01-2004, 12:28 PM
Near Wetherby?
Blummin busy at the moment though, plus I suck at fighters so you'd get bored quickly :D I keep meaning to get my arse in gear and make the effort to go to a "meet" of some sort, like the one discussed on ng.com at the moment. I think i'm away when that one's planned though IIRC.

johnkiddier
21-01-2004, 04:45 PM
Near Wetherby?

Small world - I live in Wakefield but my parents are from Bardsey - I go over there quite a lot.

Where near Wetherby are you?

Streets Of Rage
22-01-2004, 04:44 PM
i had some MVS carts arrive the other day, everyone should get MVS so you can play metal slug in original form for ?40 its absolutely stunning :D

Naiera
22-01-2004, 09:04 PM
Hmm.

RBFF for ?50 :blink: I think it's a bit steep, but then again, it's not. Please elaborate to me exactly why the first one is better than the others ;)

ThoseOfTheUnlight
23-01-2004, 12:17 PM
Best place I could find to post this..

If anyone wants a brand new Neo Geo AES debug chip for ?10 then PM me, I have no use for mine anymore :(

Cheers!

Treble
23-01-2004, 12:45 PM
I thoroughly recommend someone pick up this debug chip off Unlighty. It adds loads to the machine's functionality - stuff we take for granted on modern consoles, like changing difficulty levels, credits etc. plus you can select region, get rid of the stupid censorship on blood and Mai's jiggling boobs, and even get stuff like playable boss characters on some games.

Best thing I found: change Viewpoint's 2-player option from turn-taking to co-operative, simultaneous play :happy:

Not bad for a tenner.

Tom Salter
23-01-2004, 04:05 PM
How easy are they to fit? And, would anyone do this? I'd hate to take my AES apart myself :\

MD
23-01-2004, 04:26 PM
Remove rubber feet from bottom and remove 4 (or 5) screws from the base.

Take off top, remove ground wire to RF shield.

Locate chip, if your lucky enough to have the first revision then ease off the existing chip and carefully plug in the Debug chip... else...

Get debug bios, hopefully it's not covered in rust and corrosion like most of the current batch of BIOSes from Neo Store seem to be...

Bend pin 2 up.

Put debug bios on top of old BIOS ROM chip making sure that the respective pins of the debug chip and BIOS ROM touch each other (pin 1 to pin 1, 3 to 3, etc). It should be piggy backed and make sure the nouches are facing the same way...

Else cut pin 2 near the bottom of the board with some snips and carefully bend up pin, solder a low value resister to it and solder it to pin 40 (this basically turns the chip off...), make sure that the resister legs are not touching anything else.

Solder a wire to from pin 2 to pin 20 (this turns the chip on), you could test the machine now but there is still a chance that the legs aren't touching well.

Solder all 39 pins to the board with some silver solder (flows easier).

Test by plugging a cartridge in and hopefully it should boot up.

If it doesn't work or you've ****ed it up then unsoldering the chip would be hard and pin 2 of the BIOS is likely to break if you bend it again... To remove the chip you can use desolder braid and have lot of patience or just use some snips to remove the chip and desolder the legs off the BIOS...

Easy... :dry:

Treble
23-01-2004, 04:32 PM
When I did mine, I found it a doddle. To be honest, the connection of the pins to the original BIOS chip was so snug, I hardly need bother to solder. I could probably have gotten away with leaving them in an unsoldered state. As it was, I only used miniscule dabs of solder. Don't put everyone off, now :p

Naiera
23-01-2004, 04:37 PM
Mr. Fallows ->

Not considering accessibility and so on, which RB is the best? My main "gripe" with KOF '98 is that I've played it before on the Dreamcast, and I haven't played any of the RB's at all. I've read up on Special and Newcomers, and they both sound like great games.

Super Monkey Balls
24-01-2004, 12:29 PM
Don't put everyone off, now :pIf only you knew the hassle my AES is causing MD :D

RINGO
27-01-2004, 05:57 PM
Did teh aes ever come with any games e.g a bundle?

just wonderin

RINGO :ph34r:

Naiera
27-01-2004, 08:37 PM
I believe you will find your answer in the glossary at neo-geo.com.

Strider
28-01-2004, 11:46 PM
I have a few questions.

If I bought a Jap machine, would I be able to play English and American Games on it?

Is there any way to play MVS carts on a AES?

Will anyone buy me one for a mention in gamesTM?

Jashin
29-01-2004, 11:33 AM
The Neo is region free, so all games work on any system. If you have a US / UK machine however, there is some censoring of some games. Mai's 'boob bounce' and the colour of the 'blood' in some of the Sam Sho games spring to mind. Furthermore, not all games have a language select option. If you fitted a debug chip, then you can bypass all of these problems, and select which region of the game you want to play.

The only way to play MVS carts on an AES is thorugh a Phantom converter. These are pretty expensive, and I believe that they have problems running some MVS carts.

Naiera
03-02-2004, 09:11 AM
I currently have Real Bout, KOF '98 and Fatal Fury Special on their way 8) (for a total of about ?140. All are complete with manual-baggies and so on 8)) Expecting RB one of these days, and the other two next week.

Tom Salter
03-02-2004, 09:15 AM
You'll love KoF98, it's by far my favourite game so far. KoF99 has far better graphics, but it's no-where near as fun, and '98 has much better music :)

Naiera
03-02-2004, 09:19 AM
I'd have preferred just RB2, but this way I could get more games. I've played Dream Match A LOT on the Dreamcast, so I couldn't get KOF '98 on it's own. I'm afraid I'd grow tired of it quickly ;)

Now I'll be saving up for MOTW :ph34r:

Treble
03-02-2004, 09:34 AM
I have a few questions.

If I bought a Jap machine, would I be able to play English and American Games on it?

Is there any way to play MVS carts on a AES?

Jash gives a precis (if that's the spelling. Damn French), and you can look at page 2 of this very thread for my exhaustive and exhausting intricate details on everything peripheral you would need to know about the AES.


Will anyone buy me one for a mention in gamesTM?

I dunno...will your magazine pay me to do an article on the Neo? I promise to say good things about your magazine as a reward :rolleyes:

Streets Of Rage
03-02-2004, 10:42 PM
I'd have preferred just RB2, but this way I could get more games. I've played Dream Match A LOT on the Dreamcast, so I couldn't get KOF '98 on it's own. I'm afraid I'd grow tired of it quickly ;)

Now I'll be saving up for MOTW :ph34r:

good idea, MOTW is awesome :D

Naiera
04-02-2004, 01:03 PM
I love the DC version, but I stopped playing it about two months ago so I would appreciate it more when I get it on AES ;)

dataDave
04-02-2004, 04:09 PM
Mr. Fallows ->

Not considering accessibility and so on, which RB is the best? My main "gripe" with KOF '98 is that I've played it before on the Dreamcast, and I haven't played any of the RB's at all. I've read up on Special and Newcomers, and they both sound like great games.

Well, personally, after a lot of thinking, I prefer RB2 over the rest (roster, music, backgrounds). Only make it your first RB if you're confident on spending hours mastering the same 'line-sweep' combo until you can do it in your sleep. It can piss you off when they don't work in proper matches.

You need to compromise accessibility with how much time you're willing to spend in practice mode. It does pay off in the end, but when it does you are no more rewarded than if you are to master RB1 (which takes mere minutes).

I've never owned RBS so I can't comment fairly. That could be the best as far as I know. :blink:

Basically, when I first got my AES, I preferred RB1, then after 18 months I preferred RB2.

dataDave
04-02-2004, 04:11 PM
You'll love KoF98, it's by far my favourite game so far. KoF99 has far better graphics, but it's no-where near as fun, and '98 has much better music :)

I have to totally disagree with that last bit I'm afraid. :D - KoF'99 has probably the best music on the Neo next to RB2.

buster_broon
05-02-2004, 02:17 PM
here we go i will shout it loud enough for everybody to hear

MOTW IS ABSOLUTE CACK - JUST EYE CANDY NOTHING MORE

enough said

Streets Of Rage
05-02-2004, 03:56 PM
here we go i will shout it loud enough for everybody to hear

MOTW IS ABSOLUTE CACK - JUST EYE CANDY NOTHING MORE

enough said

MOTW is AWESOME, ignore this man !

Naiera
05-02-2004, 04:55 PM
MOTW IS ABSOLUTE CACK - JUST EYE CANDY NOTHING MORE



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dataDave
05-02-2004, 05:29 PM
I've been playing very little of MotW lately. After the initial buzz of receiving the game on AES I sort of realised that RB2 is the better game.

I don't know - it needs another few months solid play with a couple of my mates before I can say how good it is really.

To be fair, I don't think Broon's all that arsed about overly technical fighters. :) He prefers the older stuff I think, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.

buster_broon
06-02-2004, 03:51 PM
To be fair, I don't think Broon's all that arsed about overly technical fighters. :) He prefers the older stuff I think, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.

anybody who knows me realises that is beating a dead horse with a stick

i am a motw haterzzzzz - why you ask!!!!

because its the bastard child of an excellent series of games, its the poor hick cousin thats shunned by the rest of the family and i hate thats its part of the garou densetsu series, motw is not technical, far from it the only innovation it has is guard breakers apart from that nothing else, all combos are pretty small - i love other fighters with are technical things like 3rd strike

its also far too easy compared with fatal fury special - which is the best in the series you normally have to put your hair out to get a decent run in special but normally you can get AAA or even specials with ease on motw

personally i see it as a sell out to try and mass market the neo - but i guess snk as a company rely on business from all communities rather than the 'hardcore' gamer

i will always admit though that its looks beautiful and snk did a great job making a game look like that on old hardware

sorry fellas but i guess if we all liked the same thing it would be a boring world

dataDave
06-02-2004, 11:04 PM
I'm finding the advanced combos in Garou pretty deep. Breaking moves mid-combo requires tighter timing than any other game I've played. You have to be God to pull off a proper 40%-50% combo during a real match. I don't think you could survive against somone decent at the game with like 7-8 generic jump-ins, especially if they're JD'ing you at every available opportunity. The winner = the combo master.

You coming to this meet in Manny? I've yet to play Windjammers on an AES! :o