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MD
13-02-2004, 05:36 PM
1 - Fujitsu Towns Marty

When is a computer not a computer? When it's a PC shoved into a console case. If you thought the Xbox was the first PC in a box then your about 9 years too late. Sporting a 386SX processer (a later model will have a 486SX processer but nothing used it...), it was the most powerful console of it's day and quite frankly a breath of fresh air compared to the consoles of the day.

The CD-ROM drive delivered some cracking arcade conversions as well as some enhanced games from the PC. However the machine was very expensive in it's day and the games generally cost more then buying a current console of the day and a few games... Still it had lots of Hentai if you liked that sort of thing. ^_^;

Nowdays, the machines can be picked up for peanuts although getting games is a tad harder.... ^_^; Although some games are like, hmm ?80 and I'm getting a worse game then something on the Saturn at ?20...

Delights : Lucasarts Games, Tatsujin 2, Splatterhouse, Super Streetfighter 2, Viewpoint, Hentai
Horrors : Bank balance after buying games (and you thought Neo Geo games were expensive...), CSK convertions of games (can you say dated and expensive), Xbox has nothing on the size of the machine...

2 - Neo Geo

Neo Geo owners are a funny lot. Spending three figure sums on games (although FM Towns Marty owners are the same) they normally have a fair collection of games with most keeping them as pristine as possible. They are also one of the most vocal of the owners, defending their machine and the games even if the games are fairly average when it comes down to it.

The machine itself is a nice piece of hardware as it is a arcade board. It sported a 68000 / Z80 combo as most arcade boards of the day did, some nice custom chips meant that scaling and large sprites were easy to do as well as excellent music from the decent Yamaha sound chip. It was an arcade machine in your own home.

As Neo Geo games are large it's fairly easy to get a nice collection of games without really having that many games. ^_^; However a lot of owners have seen that MVS (the arcade version) had cheaper games and the choice between spending the money of two resturant meals for two and selling a kidney to play Metal Slug meant a lot abandoned the home version for a piddly home arcade set up.

Still your not an elite gamer unless you own or have owned a Neo Geo console (so elite gamers say... although thats like a elvis fan saying your not an elvis fan unless you visited graceland).

Delights : King of Fighters Games (pre 98 specfically), Fatal Fury Special, Shooters, Flying Power Disc, League Bowling, large ammount of fighters.
Horrors : Price of 'rare' or newish games, the range of fairly mundane and average games, Metal Slug, meeting Neo Geo owners.

3 - PC Engine

Small is beautiful as they say and the first white PC Engine is a delight, smaller then even the Famicom and packing more of a punch the 8Bit (yes it is 8Bit) PC Engine was the pinacle of 8Bit Gaming. It also had the first miracle and the first rubbish of the modern gaming era with the CD-ROM unit.

Now NEC weren't stupid, why make a fully blown unit when you can take the CD-ROM unit from your other machines and make a interface unit for it and PC Engine and now you have a gaming suitcase. However that wasn't enough so they brought the Super Grafx, and if truth be known it was rubbish from the time it came out out with only two half decent games and although thats 33% of good games that also means 6 games... And if you wanted to use the PC Engine CD-ROM unit then it would sprawl across the table ^_^;

But if you wanted an Engine you were spoilt for choice PC Engine, Core Grafx (make it a more manly grey colour, Core Grafx 2 (slightly change the case, they won't know the difference...), Capsule (buy one for the kids), GT (play games on the move with a fairly naff screen), LT (play games in your house as your too scared to take it anywhere just incase you know ?50 off the value), Duo, Duo R (R for Rahhh!), Duo RX (X for XXXX not another PC Engine...), zzzz

It had nice games if slightly spoilt by the fact that a lot of games were better on the Megadrive or Super Famicom, the few that were PC Engine exculsives tend to be expensive for no good reason... ^_^; So if you bought one and you wanted to justify it? Well you could always buy the glut of Anime and Hentai games available on CD-ROM... ^_^;

Delights : PC Engine CD-ROM2 unit with PC Engine, PC Kid series, Anime cut scenes on CD-ROM games, being able to stick your whole collection of games and the machine in a small bag, the price of PC Engine games.
Horrors : Collecting System cards, Realising that Strider on Arcade CD-ROM is crap and you wasted ?50 on a version that costs ?5 on the Megadrive and is better, People who spent ?800 on a LT, the price of PC Engine games.

4 - Sharp X68000

Okay it's a computer rather then a console but it hosted games that blew everything else away at the time. Most people will have first seen this from tiny little screenshots printed in C&VG and Ace and that would have been it before it was emulated and everyone could see how good it was. Although this is like saying you drive a Ferrari when your playing F355 Challenge rather then owning the said Ferrari... ^_^

It was a fairly powerful system having a 10Mhz 68000 (2Mhz faster then the Atari ST and Amiga), better sound chip (Yamaha chip, although you could whack on a Roland or Yamaha sound module and get music to die for...) and graphics to die for, with more colours, sprite and graphics mode that the Amiga A500 could only dream about. The only thing that let it down a little was the use of high density 5.25" discs compared to 3.5" drives as used on more or less everything else. Still it was what was on the discs rather then what they looked like.

So what could you play? Lots and lots of games and much better then what most consoles of the day could do them... Capcom and Konami did some cracking games including Strider, Ghouls and Ghosts, Final Fight, Gradius II and Dracula X and Sega games appeared on the system too.

To be one of the elite gamers you must either own the said machine or at least pretend you do by owning at least a few games on the system, then you can say the machine is in storage or something and boot up an emulator... As the X68000 sold in decent numbers unlike say the FM Towns (thats the FM Towns as a whole, computer systems and Marty) there are lots of games and getting hold of games is surprisingly easy. Although setting up and getting the games running is a tad more difficult and may require lots of patience. ^_^

Delights : Near arcade perfect games, Strider, Dracula X, Cotton, Final Fight, Gradius II, Dive On. Seeing one working in the flesh. Feeling like that Elite gamer you always thought you were.
Horrors : Finding out the discs are buggered, just getting hold of the X68000.


5 - Nokia N-Gage

What could be more elite then having a phone that played games that is shunned by all proper game players as nothing more then an overpriced phone?










Nah only joking...

So what isn't it?

Well it's not the

Super Famicom, every one and it's dog (and it's fleas) has one of these, even if you do weird things like collect all the semi hentai games on it. Even if you don't own a SFC you probably own a SNES and a convertor, plus Nintendo fanboyism isn't a pretty sight.

The Megadrive isn't here either as the UK Megadrive means that unless you are a hardcore collector, insane or both your going to balk at paying three or four times more for the game in a different box to the PAL version, even to the extent of paying several hundred times more for the japanese version of a game in a UK box(!), which is effectively what Maximum Carnage is. Even the Japanese only releases of really must have games are quite few and far between. Basically even if you own 300 Japanese games it still has less kudos then owning 100 odd PC Engine games or even 10 Neo Geo Games.

Saturn? Again too common and easy to get hold of most games. In a perverse way the Japanese Playstation has more Kudos due to a stupid ammount of games and tracking them down can be fun. New consoles have no kudos, to an extent the Japanese Xbox is probably the most elite as most people don't go that far, play American games on a Japanese system? Are you mad?

Anyway, out of time again. ^_^;

More soon. ^_^

5 - Any american console released in Japan

Now why would that make you elitest? Well spending 3 to 20 times the cost on a console that plays exactly the same games as the american system does and having the benefit of some katakana or better still a sticker over the american cartridge and paying for the priveledge is a little like being charged 5 quid a mile by a taxi driver as he takes you from London to Scotland.

So what consoles could I sample then? Well Bandai have most of them sorted as they released several, including the Bandai Kousokusen (pretty word for Vectrex), Bandai Intellivision and Bandai Arcadia to name three. Even Atari have the Atari 2800, which was a nicer looking Atari 2600 with interesting controllers and if your a sucker for punishment you can get an Atari Jaguar with some pretty stickers on the box saying it's a Japanese version and pay through the nose for one.

So what about 3DO? Well as it did get a proper Japanese release and does sport a range of Japanese games it doesn't really count, even if it is amusing to see Samurai Shodown in Japanese and to play count the games that aren't for kids, dodgy american games, hentai or softcore porn.

Even looking at Xbox games in Japan you do feel like your the only person in the country to own the system with the xbox aisles being fairly empty of people and this is of course if you can find the xbox games hidden between Dreamcast and Nintendo 64. So if you own at least 2 american systems released in Japan then you can at least say Elitest with a capital E.

Okay there should be five but had to add this one in.

6 - Kiddy Consoles.

Effectively this is Sega Pico, Bandai Playdia and Bandia Atmark (or Apple Pippin) although you could add Famicom Clones with Education cartridges, the various Tomy consoles and handhelds and even the G-Tech computers, and if your a sucker for punishment you could add the Philips CD-i which although not a kiddy console as such a quick scan of non movie titles would reveal more edutainment titles then any other games.

So why does owning a console aimed at a five year old make you Elitest? Well just buying a machine that wasn't aimed at you and then having games for said system is either a sign your mad or something worse and therefore to justify having the machine you need to say you own for a specific reason like I wanted to collect all the Sonic games or there is a really good game on the Atmark/Pippin or even the good old it looked nice, which I've heard for a reason to own the Bandai Playdia, one of the first consoles to show that purple is not a pretty colour for a console.

Square
13-02-2004, 05:55 PM
I always fancied one of these when Edge featured it years ago. They hailed it as the second coming.

Big Al
13-02-2004, 10:22 PM
Real nice machine and one of my favourites.

There are some surprising games out on it, many of the Lucasarts adventures received enhanced ports as well as top arcade conversions. Great for shooters like KU++, Flying Shark, Raiden and it also has the best conversion of Splatterhouse in existence.

XE-1
14-02-2004, 01:21 AM
1 - Fujitsu Towns Marty

When is a computer not a computer? When it's a PC shoved into a console case. If you thought the Xbox was the first PC in a box then your about 9 years too late.

Although one of the most powerful consoles of it's day, it was expensive with hard to get hold of (and games that cost more then a Super Famicom....) with near perfect arcade conversions and lots of Hentai... ^_^

Nowdays, the machines can be picked up for peanuts although getting games is a tad harder.... ^_^; Although some games are like, hmm ?80 and I'm getting a worse game then something on the Saturn at ?20...

4 to 5 to come... ^_^;

Sounds cool.
Is it classed as 32 bit or 16bit?

Where can I get a marty in UK for peanuts?
Do people have hidden sources for this type of stuff or something?

Cheers.

Lyris
14-02-2004, 01:38 AM
I remember reading about this, since it had the best version of LucasArt's Zak McKraken on it.

Big Al
14-02-2004, 09:53 AM
Yeah, Zak looks beautiful on it if you run it in the enhanced resolution. Zak will cost you about ?200 though, it's one of the rarest games on it.

Boxed machines still go for a fair amount, about the price of a new machine like the PS2. You should be able to get an unboxed one on ebay when they turn up for less than ?50 though.

ExpertKing
14-02-2004, 10:22 AM
32Bit hardware , the first model being a 386 /2MB of ram and the second model housing a 486.Nice piece of hardware with some of the finest pads to use imo , especially the 6 button model.

If it wasnt for VING releasing some excellent arcade ports then the machines library would be have been pretty weak :( well weaker than it is ..


Also it plays host to the only home port of Tatsujinou ( aka Expertking) :p

XE-1
14-02-2004, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the info.

Just done some searching on ebay, maybe this was a bargain?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075457264&category=49237

God bless the strong pound.

Surely the seller could have got more for that? :blink:
I would have bought that if I had seen it, dunno what the games were worth though.

Matt Hughes
14-02-2004, 05:41 PM
Wayhey! Anything with LeChuck's Revenge included is automatically a bargain!

Big Al
14-02-2004, 10:00 PM
yep, that auction was pointed out to me after it had finished of course.

Either the seller didn't know what he had or he has scammed someone.

Monkey Island 2 is the only Lucasarts game I do not have for the Marty and goes for over ?200 a time, Indy is in a similar price bracket.

So yes he could have got more for it. The buyer is probably still pissing himself laughing at his bargain.

goldbricker
16-02-2004, 04:08 PM
Are we supposed to name the other three consoles for the elite or will they be announced in a future post?

Arctic Feather
16-02-2004, 05:56 PM
Are we supposed to name the other three consoles for the elite or will they be announced in a future post?

The post originally only had 1 console so i think he's just updating it over time

Jashin
16-02-2004, 07:40 PM
I like this thread a lot :)

I've recently bought a Duo-R and now have 14 games. All of which are PCE exclusive, therefore I think that


It had nice games if slightly spoilt by the fact that a lot of games were better on the Megadrive or Super Famicom, the few that were PC Engine exculsives...

(italics added) is a little misleading, if not disingenuous. The PCE has lot of original content, some of it good, some of it not. Of the 14 games that I have, I can say that 8 still stand up well today, 4 are curios, and 2 are complete rubbish. At a push, the PCE could produce graphics akin to a middling Mega Drive game, although it appears to have issues with parallax scrolling and sprite flicker in some cases.

Then again, I am a Neo owner as well :D .

I'm presuming that the Japanese Mega Drive will appear somwehere in this top 5? 8)

MD
17-02-2004, 02:39 PM
Somehow I can't see the Megadrive being an elite gamers console as hardly anyone really collects it. Know people with more complete Neo Geo AES collections then half way complete Megadrive collections... ^_^;

Still only one machine to go (although i might add more depending...)

Fastware
18-02-2004, 09:55 PM
Somehow I can't see the Megadrive being an elite gamers console as hardly anyone really collects it.

I only need 160-ish games for a complete Japanese Megadrive collection. Am I L3373? :lol:

Jashin
19-02-2004, 08:31 AM
Without a doubt :D

Saurian
19-02-2004, 10:54 AM
I absolutely LOVE the PC Engine Duo R! :wub:

I've never owned one but a lot of them pass through my hands for modding and to this day it's gorgeous! :happy:

Madbury
19-02-2004, 01:01 PM
Somehow I can't see the Megadrive being an elite gamers console as hardly anyone really collects it.

I only need 160-ish games for a complete Japanese Megadrive collection. Am I L3373? :lol:

Not as l33t3 as MD who only needs about 4....

I'm loving my PC Engine set up. I have one of the white ones with the CDROM2 add on. Looks great. However I have to buy some proper games for it. Only have about 4 at the moment and they are mostly crap.

Fastware
19-02-2004, 05:52 PM
He must be the only one that can't find a Jap Megadrive Fifa! :p

MD
24-02-2004, 10:58 AM
I only need 160-ish games for a complete Japanese Megadrive collection. Am I L3373? :lol:

Nah as

1) You've not mentioned how many games you have
2) The Megadrive isn't a elite gamers console. Unless you have Japanese released Acclaim games which come in UK boxes making it look like you have PAL games in your collection when in fact you have fairly rare Japanese games. :p


He must be the only one that can't find a Jap Megadrive Fifa! :p

Not yet but I will. I'll hold up Japanese game shops until I find one. Although sadly it's still not overly common, probably more Alien Soldiers around then FIFAs, although have the former. ^_^;

Jashin
24-02-2004, 12:17 PM
I still think that collecting purely Japanese MD games is very much a passtime for the 'so-called elite' when viewed in the same light the machines you've talked about. Large range of games which vary massively in price due to print runs / availability? Games which are worth a pittance in their Western guises but command huge values in their Japanese iterations? Incredible differences in the quality of the artwork between Japanese and Western territories, thus increasing collectability? Wide range of machines releases, a la PCE?

Sounds pretty 1337 to me ;)

Fastware
24-02-2004, 10:34 PM
Working from a list of all Japanese megadrive games that you created a couple of years ago I have about 600 Japanese Megadrive games.
I've not got ant Acclaim games yet apart from NBA Jam.
Guess I'm just a casual then :p

Paradigm
25-02-2004, 12:13 AM
No wonder some people believe 'elite' is a synonym for 'stupid'.

DCharlie
25-02-2004, 12:32 AM
Does anyone have a link to MDs list please?

Molloy
25-02-2004, 03:19 PM
Why not include the SG-1000. The mark II is just the prettiest console ever made.

http://www.retrogames.co.uk/stock/assets/images/Mach_-_Sega_SG1000_Mark_2.jpg

Paradigm
25-02-2004, 04:42 PM
It looks horrible.

Fastware
25-02-2004, 06:11 PM
I have a Mark II and I love its futuristic 70's stylings. Nicely bookends Sega's console history as the Dreamcast is the same colour.

MD
26-02-2004, 11:25 AM
The Master System and SG-1000 Mark 1 looks sexier, but each to their own.

600 Megadrive games huh? Given that there are just over 420 games, me thinks someones telling fibbies.

Sketcz
26-02-2004, 02:56 PM
Dang, all I have is the Duo-R, and apart from a neogeo none of the others interest me.

Clearly I am not the elite collector I thought I was.


Anyway, if your going for rare, unheard of and overpriced systems, youve gotta include the:
Bandai Pippin


Ugly, rare, expensive, huge, and basically a Mac in a console box with the Bandai logo. Oh, and it has the cheesiest name ever.
Imagine saying to a friend

Im off to play with my Pippin, toodaloo!
:lol:

FreddyKrueger
26-02-2004, 03:39 PM
Had an @World for a while but got fed up not being able to get any games even remotely cheap for it so sold it for a packet to a geezer in Brazil :)

MD
26-02-2004, 03:53 PM
Pippin / @mark doesn't cut any ice due to the several lack of games or anything remotely playable... It's like removing your manhood to speak a little higher... :p

Same could be said for the Bandai Playdia too, unless playing fairly poor Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Hello Kitty or Ultraman games is your thing. It has some games that are a laugh (literally) for 5 minutes although, better stop there before someone accuses me of being a paedo.

The Sega Pico is the ultimate in pointless add ons. In two minds whether to add this on. Going to buy one when I'm in Japan. ^_^;

Although being an elite gamer would be the unreleased Taito console... ^_^;

Still I'll keep you hanging for number 5.

Big Al
26-02-2004, 04:53 PM
There are a couple (literally) of playable games for the pippin. I have Racing Days (Gran Turismo style racer) and Shockwave for it that are playable and the Gundam game is not too unplayable.

And if your getting really desperate you get Tetris Plus on the "Please" disc that comes with the machine.

MD
27-02-2004, 12:24 PM
3 hmm, that's still less then the number of playable games on the PC-FX and that had a lot less titles made. ^_^;

Big Al
27-02-2004, 05:41 PM
Apparently there are some more EA branded games out for it but I have never been able to track any more down.

I think it's a similar number to the PC FX but it doesn't have anything as good as Chip Chan Kick.

XE-1
29-02-2004, 11:44 PM
Does anyone have a idea what tatsujin oh is worth?
What price did the marty collectors pay for it?

Ta for any info.

Big Al
01-03-2004, 09:50 AM
Tatsujin Oh is worth a fekking fortune if it's complete and fully boxed. VGI generally sell them for about ?180 which is pretty steep. I paid $120 US for mine.

Sure MD will tell you that it's available for a fiver in Japan though :D

MD
01-03-2004, 11:14 AM
Heh, no. It's come down in price a fair bit in the last few years though as lots of copies seem to surface. :rolleyes:

Still anywhere around ?50 to ?100 is a reasonable price.

ExpertKing
01-03-2004, 11:26 AM
Best game on the Marty ....and a superb conversion.

XE-1
01-03-2004, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the info guys, much appeciated. :)

I always take the prices on that vgi website with a pinch of salt.
Tatsujin is 129 quid on there UNBOXED!? It can stay there along with the 50 quid soukygurntai's as far as im concerned.

50-100 sounds more reasonable, I would pay that.
It's frustrating that all the rated games are pricey tho. :blink:

Ta.

Big Al
01-03-2004, 06:49 PM
If you have the machine it really is worth getting though, it's superb.

Then you can try and hunt down Splatterhouse on it. Easily the best conversion of it.

DCharlie
01-03-2004, 11:43 PM
"Sure MD will tell you that it's available for a fiver in Japan "

unfortunately, i've seen very few Marty games....
infact, i picked up my (boxed!) Marty about 2 years ago, and so far have ONE obscure hentai game for it....

I just haven't seen any other games in Aki.

I'm sure i'm gonna drag around Aki with MD, so we'll be racing to pick up stuff! :)

Mayhem
02-03-2004, 09:33 AM
Well I agree with 3 of the 4 so far... the odd one out? PC Engine. I know a slew of people in the US who have one, whom I would not consider to be elitist or hardcore. Many of them just wanted to play the games that it has to offer, and got one instead of say buying a SNES or Megadrive.

If you then talk about all the different formats that games came on, and trying to get hold of everything... THEN I would say that person is elitist ;)

So what's #5? NGPC? Vectrex? I'd almost throw in the Atari 2600, because let's face it, no one is ever going to get a complete collection of that (though people are trying) and there are still protos and new discovered games being found all the time. Plus the homebrew scene that has sprung up means games are still being made.

ExpertKing
02-03-2004, 10:49 AM
MSX..... still has a loyal following in Japan and in the west..

XE-1
02-03-2004, 05:28 PM
This is a great thread.

I would definately agree with the pc engine being included in this thread.
Sure there are plenty of games to choose from, and it's pretty inexpensive to get a nice little decent collection together.
I agrre, it can never be an elitist console imo, it's too accesable.

But once you get onto the really rare stuff, it certainly goes into hardcore territory if you are serious about collecting. (I'm not that serious though. :lol:)
The pc engine has some of the most expensive CD software I have ever seen for any console.

You could easily buy 2 expensive mint aes metal slugs for the price of of a fully packaged akiyama benevolence mook on the pc engine. (Going from japanese game shop prices I have heard/seen in photo's.)
And I understand the special CD versions of the P mahjong's are wallet burstingly expensive...Saphire doesn't get a look in compared to the prices of these.
Then there is the special version Hu's (Darius alpha + that gold baseball hucard etc)

Even some of the "cheaper" games are expensive most of the time.
If that isn't hardcore territory then I don't know what is, makes my eyes water thinking how much it would take to get a complete collection of the proper rare stuff. :blink:

I am probably biased because I really like the image of the pc engine, imo it's a gamers console to begin with then it quickly turns into something much more hardcore than anything imaginable.
One of the most challenging formats to collect for imo.
Just my 2p's worth.

MD
04-03-2004, 11:24 AM
The PC Engine is there mainly because fewer people are going to have one then the Megadrive, Super Famicom, Saturn, etc, etc.... Yes you can pick one up and yes you can buy a good selection of games for it for a reasonable price, but you can be pretty sure that Mr Casual gamer won't have one. The PC Engine also has more games then most other consoles that sell for prices that you would need to remortgage your house for...

Still number 5 will be interesting... ^_^

Sketcz
04-03-2004, 11:44 AM
MD, the tension is killing.

Though id agree with mayhem, the Vectrex is a definite contender.

Paradigm
04-03-2004, 12:30 PM
I bet the only reason most of you have ever heard of a Vectrex is because everyone screamed "IT HAD AN ANALOGUE STICK!" when the N64 was released.

Jashin
04-03-2004, 06:00 PM
Yes. That's right.

Afterbirth
04-03-2004, 07:42 PM
When muthafakers were first playing their speccy 16's and early CBM64's , i had a
MATTLE AQUARIUS! WITH 16K ADDED = 20K!

(NB - i'm unsure if the word 'leet' or 'sheet' applies here).

Sketcz
04-03-2004, 10:48 PM
erm... n64? analogue sticks?

I know about vectrex because I played on one.... :???:
Space war, reason enough for me to want the system.

Mayhem
05-03-2004, 09:55 AM
Atari 5200 had analog sticks as well, though anyone knows they were also the contender for worst stick ever too.

I've had a Vectrex for years, and knew about them when they came out. Just too damn expensive however compared to the 2600 to get one then...

gohan1239
07-03-2004, 11:13 AM
what about the M2?

i heard a few of the prototypes made escaped to a few collectors, also a game or two was lost in the system belived to be with a collector?

MD
09-03-2004, 11:44 AM
Protos don't really count as they are likely to be with idiots with too much money rather then proper collectors.

Although most of the M2 units floating around are just the CD-ROM units rather then any of the proper hardware.... :lol:

memories
22-03-2004, 09:56 PM
will we ever find out what number 5 is ???? :???:

DCharlie
23-03-2004, 01:50 AM
"Although most of the M2 units floating around are just the CD-ROM units rather then any of the proper hardware...."

The Konami arcade games (4 of them) - run on what is effectively an M2 (or at least, that's what i believe to be the case).

I have Tobe! Polystars at home - it's not bad - nice corrective 3d.
It would have been nice to see what it could have done, the people i know who worked on the M2 said very nice things about it.

Fastware
27-03-2004, 12:01 PM
Is number five still alive? Come on Barry, let us know!!

Kirby
27-03-2004, 01:36 PM
It's got to be the Sam Coupe. Am i right or am i right?!

MD
27-03-2004, 01:50 PM
Sam Coupe? Several years too late, too expensive, too little software, not that much different from a Spectrum (yeah yeah it has a 16 colour mode, a Z80B and a 6 channel sqaure note sound chip, but too little too late...), it was also buggy and require a ROM upgrade or for you to remember a CALL depending on how much memory you had, had buggy mouse and MIDI ports too... Sounds like a computer you bought if you enjoyed S&M...

memories
28-03-2004, 08:07 PM
Sam Coupe !!! ive got one of those up in my loft. What a waste of time. I sold my speccy and hundreds of games to buy one of them. I still regret doing it to this day.

Only machine ive really screwed up buying. Might have to dig it out and see if it stil works just to punish myself.

I hadnt heard anything about the machine for years & years and then in the last few months if read seen articles and postings on the thing.

Is there a Sam Coupe revival coming ???

God i hope not. :D

MD
15-04-2004, 01:29 AM
Number 5 is alive.

Feel free to rip the p out of the final choices. :ph34r:

gohan1239
15-04-2004, 08:30 AM
o come on we want number 5 !!!!!

Papercut
15-04-2004, 09:17 AM
Number 5 will clearly be the Dreamcast, what with its relative failure, many limited editions and special editions, and low production runs of later games.

MD
15-04-2004, 01:48 PM
Er click on Page 1 and read the first post as I've edited it.

Papercut
15-04-2004, 01:51 PM
copout!

:p

XE-1
21-04-2004, 12:50 PM
Instead of creating a new thread I thought I would ask a few questions in here since it's one of my favourite threads.

A while ago I seen an analogue joypad that could be used on the marty and possibly the x68000, msx and megadrive.
The joypad looks massive, a bit like an oversized xbox pad.
Has anyone tried it at all? Is there any mention on the boxes of megadrive games that support it? (Afterburner/space harrier/outrun/etc)

And, does anyone have a link to the games ving made for the marty, did ving or anyone port slap fight/alcon or fire shark to the marty?
I know the mega drive got those games but I can't find any info if they were released on any other japanese consoles.

Any kind of list with any of the decent games would be incredibly useful, nothing in english comes up on google when I search. :hmm:

Cheers for any info.

MD
21-04-2004, 03:23 PM
Ah the Dempa XE-1AP, it is indeed very large and I have one. ^_^

It is a very nice Analogue joypad, if hard to hold. Has two screwholes to adjust it... ^_^;

Not many games supported it but

Afterburner 2 - Dempa (only Megadrive game they made too...)
Ayton Sennas Super Monaco GP 2 - Sega
Musha Aleste - Toaplan / Compile
Galaxy Force 2 - CRI
Fastest One - Human
All did, some played better then others...

Also on the Super 32X
Space Harrier - Sega
Afterburner Complete - Sega

Not all of these games mention they support the XE-1AP (like the Super 32X games) but these 7 are the only ones that do.

As for Ving games, I have two catalogues which have a large number of Ving games (although I only have Super Real Mahjong IV and it's still in Japan...). ^_^;

Big Al has quite a collection, beats my 10 games so you could ask him.

XE-1
21-04-2004, 06:34 PM
Your a star MD, that is exactly the joypad I was wondering about.
Cheers for the info about those MD games.
I had no idea who made it, it's very surprising to find out it was made by the same guys who made the excellent xe-1 pro for pce. (Hence my user name :rolleyes: )


I found a website with a couple of pce joypads including the XE-1AP here:
www6.airnet.ne.jp/wataru/ pce/pce_pad.htm

Hmm, one more question though m8, has that got different connectors for all consoles. Or are there specific models for different machines?
9800 yen was very expensive though, thats the most expensive joypad i've ever seen. and also the same price as the pro joysticks. :blink:


Regarding ving stuff, any info in those catalogues is useful.
I know a couple of the volume numbers, but there are loads of gaps.
Give us a hand please Big-al!! :wub:

Here is what I have seen so far, if I am wrong about something being a ving game soz about that.
Please feel free to add anything else to the list or anything.
Any help is useful, it might be helpful to someone in the future, then again it may not.

Vol ?: Final blow.
Vol ?: Pi li ru la.
Vol?: New zealand story.
Vol?: PIV mahjong.
Vol?: Tatsujin oh.
Vol?: Operation wolf.
Vol?: Chase hq.
Vol?: Flying shark.
Vol?: Viewpoint.
Vol6 Image fight.
Vol 12: Rainbow islands.
Vol 13 Splatterhouse.

I'm unsure if raiden is a ving game so I left it out.

Cheers.

Big Al
21-04-2004, 09:58 PM
I don't have the full list of what game Ving made. This site is as close I have seen to a marty master list but it has FM Towns games on it too.

http://forum.nifty.com/ftowns/towns/SOFT/ha.html

It's in Japanese so you'll have to babelfish it.

I'm pretty certain Slap Fight and Fire Shark never got ported but I may be wrong. The Marty keeps on surprising me when I find more games for it.

These are games I have that I think are made by Ving and not on your list but I'd have to dig out the boxes to double check. I'm not 100% sure who made these -

Bubble Bobble
ku2++
volfied (definitely Ving, box is in front of me 8) )
Mad Stalker
Puyo Puyo

Not sure about most of them though.

By the way, I havea spare Viewpoint (CD only though) and Flying Shark (boxed in NM condition) if your interested. Flying Shark wouldn't be cheap though 8)

MD
22-04-2004, 03:15 PM
The XE-1AP uses a 9 Pin D type socket, as the Megadrive, MSX, X68000, FM Towns and PC-xx01 series all use 9 Pin D socket it works on them all.

The stick is very well built, and has an analogue joystick and a rotatable (from left to right to up and down although you could use it diagonally too....) speed type controller as well as various fire buttons on the front. Ayrton Sennas Super Monaco GP 2 is fairly dull whilst playing via Joypad but is quite good when using analogue controls and it feels more like racing rather then moving joypad in right direction. Fastest one is also good as you have to learn braking and cornering as you can spin the car too easily if you steer too hard.

According to a source the only reason that Space Harrier and Afterburner Complete on Super 32X supported the XE-1AP was because they wanted to make it easy to port to the Saturn. The UK versions of SH and AC do support the XE-1AP.

So how many shiney pennies are those FM Towns games then? 8)

The list is very useful, sadly it doesn't specifically say which games are FM Towns Marty compatable and there are lots of Hentai games listed in there too. ^o^ I did hold back and not buy reams of hentai games to bolster up my Towns collection, although T&E Golf is deffinately the largest FM Towns box I've seen it makes a sheet of A3 paper look small. ^_^;

XE-1
22-04-2004, 06:08 PM
Cheers for the link Big-al, after a couple of sessions doing some surfing I came up with this list. (I can't take much credit as a couple of ebay sellers gave me quite a bit of info.)

Full list of ving games off the link Big-al posted.

There are 27 ving releases, a couple of games are not on the below list.
One of the games with question marks below is called brandia/blandia, a fighting game which came packaged with a joypad.
I'm not quite sure what is marty compatible at the moment.

In order of release dates on that japanese list:

New zealand story
Final blow
Operation wolf.
Puzznic.
Bubble bobble.
Image fight.
Palamedes.
Volfied.
Life and death.
P 2 3 mahjong.
Rainbow islands extra.
Splatterhouse.
Life and death II. The brain.
Super real mahjong p2&3 +
Tatsujin oh.
Flying shark.
???????
View point.
Kyu tiger.
Legend of valour.
Super real mahjong IV
Magic the gathering?
????????
????????
????????
Eye of the beholder 3.
Pi li ru la.

One of the guys I spoke to mentioned that the volume numbers are very misleading, apparently a couple of the games have the same volume number and the volume numbers don't match the order they were released.

Pilirula and rainbow islands extra both have vol 12 on the spine of the boxes, and kyukyoku toger and bubble bobble have vol 5 written on the spines.
Everyone seems to have their marty stuff packed away in boxes so I don't know the volume numbers yet, what is it with the marty collectors and storage boxes eh? :lol:

I still have some people to get back to me with some volume numbers.
I'll edit my above post if I get any replies.

>Big-al.
Cheers for the offer m8, I am waiting to drop something on a decent marty package first. (Unless something interesting is silly cheap.)
The prices of marty stuff is wierd though, some stuff is as cheap as chips and other stuff is a bit pricey, there doesn't seem to be any middle ground at all.


>MD.
Cheers again for the info, especially on the MD and 32X games.
Playing monaco GP 2 using an analogue stick, now that sounds interesting.
I'm definately gonna try and track one down, I don't fancy spending the original retail of 50 quid on it though.

Thats what I thought about the connector, I didn't know if it had any attachments packaged in with it like the hori multi stick or similar.
The pic of it on the link I posted made me confused more than I am already.

Another question. :rolleyes: :lol:
What the blinking flip does the slider on the right do?

Cheers.

Big Al
22-04-2004, 09:13 PM
Some nice info there, cheers for passing it on 8)

From your list these are all definitely Marty compatible (ie I've tested them on mine)

New Zealand Story
Final Blow
Op Wolf
Bubble Bobble
Image Fight
Volfied
Rainbow Islands Extra
Blandia
Splatterhouse
Tatsujin Oh
Flying Shark
Viewpoint
Kyu Tiger
Pu Li Ru La.

Not got the others so I can't confirm them.

One of the ebay seller inter-connection by any chance? If so you should buy from him with confidence. He is without doubt the best seller I've found on ebay.

As for the Marty compatibility I was always under the impression that it was the marty's lack of memory that caused the problems. I finally managed to track down a 4 Meg expansion for it and still cannot get some of the games to work.

I'm not sure whether it should work or whether the memory is faulty which given it's age is highly likely. Anyone got this and managed to get it to work?

I've tried it with Kingdom Grandprix, Super Streetfighter II and Syndicate Wars with no success 8(

Geezer
22-04-2004, 09:32 PM
Hmm, I have a game called Pu Li Ru La for the Saturn, its a 2d sidescrolling platformer/beat em up(in the loosest sense). Is the Marty game you're talking about the very same?

Geezer :)

XE-1
23-04-2004, 10:53 AM
It was the least I could do mate, there isnt much info on the marty so I thought it was worth a shot to ask a couple of sellers and put some japanese names in a search engine.

Yeah inter-connection was one of the guys I asked, he seems to love the marty.
Surprised I got an email off him to be honest, I asked him about selling something privately before and I got the impression he couldnt be arsed answering questions.
Then I got a massive email about the marty, I must have caught him on a good day or summat.

Marty compatibility is something I would like to know about before I take the plunge, especially information about the mk1 and mk2 marty and if the car marty is based on a 386 or 486 processor.
Nothings mentioned if the games play better on the 486 mk2, the websites I have seen cover the hardware but nothing is mentioned about the games.
The link you gave is the only website with any detailed info on.

I have no idea about the 4 meg either, no websites mention anything about that upgrade to the marty.
Does it make a difference when you use it with the games that work?

I wonder how kingdom grandprix compares to the saturn game.
is there no way at all to get that running?
About viewpoint, how does that compare to the neo version?
Does it hold up well?


>Geezer.
I have pulirula for the playstation, it looks a bit gay but suprisingly its quite a nice game.
It's one of the tripiest games i have ever seen for sure.
I think its the same game, Big-al is the best man to confirm that. ;)

Cheers.

Big Al
23-04-2004, 03:27 PM
Ian (interconnection) doesn't really sell much outside of ebay, only if he really gets to know you so don't take that personally! He loves the Marty and PC Engine so loves talking to people about them.

You know, I actually have a car marty up in the loft that I'd forgotten about! I'll try and check over the weekend to see if the extra memory slots in anywhere on that.

The memory made no noticable difference in any of the games that worked previously but as I say, I don't even know if the memory card is working.

Viewpoint compares quite well to the Neo Geo version. It has the 2 player mode but does have some borders strangely down the sides of the screen. Not quite as good as the Playstation version that came out but that was to be expected.

I actually have an FM Towns Emulator for the PC, supposed to run all marty and FM Towns II games but I've never managed to get it to work. The guy who gave me it says it runs perfect on his machine though. it's only 1 Meg in size so let me know if you want me to email you it to try.

You'll need to get a game to test of course.

Pu Li Ru La is indeed the same game as the saturn, totally mental but surprisingly good.