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    Anti-Islam Dutch MP banned from UK

    Controversial anti-Muslim MP banned from the UK because of public order fears

    Geert Wilders had been refused entry to the United Kingdom to broadcast his controversial anti-Muslim film Fitna in the House of Lords. Mr Wilders said he had been told that in the interests of public order he will not be allowed to come to Britain.

    He responded to the decision in fighting mood, telling reporters that he still intended to travel to London.

    He said: "I shall probably go to Britain anyway on Thursday. Let us see if they put me in chains on arrival. It is an unbelievable decision made by a group of cowards."

    Mr Wilders is under 24-hour police protection because of his anti-Muslim stance.He has been receiving death threats from Muslim groups outside Holland since the anti-Koran film appeared on the internet earlier this year.
    The film features verses from the Koran alongside images of the terrorist attacks in the US on 11 September 2001, Madrid in March 2004 and London in July 2005.

    The film equates Islam's holy text with violence and ends with a call to Muslims to remove 'hate-preaching' verses from the Koran.
    It provoked protests in Muslim-majority countries including Indonesia and Pakistan.

    Last night, Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen said he had called British foreign secretary David Miliband to protest against the decision.
    He said: "It is disgraceful that a Dutch parliamentarian should be refused entrance to an EU country."

    A spokesman for the Lords said that the invitation to show his film remained open. Home Office sources confirmed Mr Wilders had been refused entry to the UK.

    A Home Office spokesman told The Daily Telegraph: "The Government opposes extremism in all its forms.

    "It will stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.

    "That was the driving force behind tighter rules on exclusions for unacceptable behaviour that the Home Secretary announced on in October last year."



    So if you?re a fundamentalist Muslim, come in and take a seat. If you?re interested in protecting the cultural integrity of Europe and banning the Burka, access denied.

    #2
    I think some of Geert's views extend beyond "Ban The Burka".... but it's a fair point.

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      #3
      How can this be a public order problem, it's a private screening at the House of Lords?

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        #4
        *distances self from own post*

        You?re right - just read his wiki entry.

        ?Building feeding camps and discipline schools?
        ( ? )

        Still, he does hit on a few uncomfortable truths that the politicians in this country are too soft to address.

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          #5
          Which are?

          And when you do so, please refer to other religions' texts for comparison.

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            #6
            If only from the PoV that anti-Western/Christian spouting still goes on and he can't spout anti-Islamic words, then yeah. Not that you'd condone either or want to be associated with it, but seemingly again the "minority" can get away with what they want to say...
            Lie with passion and be forever damned...

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              #7
              The House of Lords seem quite happy to keep his invite open, perhaps they are happy enough to hear what he has to say - note - in private.

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                #8
                I know our government has banned hate-preaching, I didn't realise they'd gone as far as to ban people for having an opinion.

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                  #9
                  I'm not all that sure I disagree with the government's stance on this but isn't taking action like this something that would require someone to be convicted of a particular crime first or is it simply the case that the management reserves the right to refuse admission?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Red Hogg View Post
                    I know our government has banned hate-preaching, I didn't realise they'd gone as far as to ban people for having an opinion.
                    The government are on a role with thought crime laws. Banning violent porn (even if faked by consenting adults), banning lolicon manga (who's the victim again?) . They'd also probably be happy to extradite UK citizens to Switzerland for holocaust denial too.

                    The level of fascism in the UK is becoming scary.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kit View Post
                      If you?re interested in protecting the cultural integrity of Europe and banning the Burka...
                      The sentiment in that sentence isn't much better than the kind of 'Death to the infidels, Allah ackbar' etc kind of nonsense you get from people like Abu Hamza though, is it? It's just on the other side of the debate.

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                        #12
                        What do you mean by 'protecting the cultural integrity of Europe'? I don't really see how Fitna does that.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by saif View Post
                          Which are?
                          And when you do so, please refer to other religions' texts for comparison.
                          Well, I?m not in any way religious so I?ll refrain from quoting text; I wouldn?t know where to start anyway. But after listening to his views, here?s a few areas where I think he makes a valid point:

                          Islam being a violent ideology -The mere fact the bloke has armed, 24/7 bodyguards as a result of questioning the Qu?ran is a worrying statement about the temperament of Islam.
                          Banning Islamic Schools -I don?t think separating yourself even more from the community you apparently want to be a part of helps promote integration.

                          The sentiment in that sentence isn't much better than the kind of 'Death to the infidels, Allah ackbar' etc kind of nonsense you get from people like Abu Hamza though, is it? It's just on the other side of the debate.
                          Well no. One calls for the death of an entire civilization, and the other is drawing a line in the sand to what?s acceptable in western society. My take on the quote is try and uphold our moral principles and not those of the Islamic world.

                          What do you mean by 'protecting the cultural integrity of Europe'? I don't really see how Fitna does that.
                          After watching it neither do I. As I insinuated in my previous post: I think a few of his points are valid, most border on the racists. The bloke definitely has an axe to grind, but I don't dismiss all the points he makes because of that.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by djjimbob View Post
                            I think some of Geert's views extend beyond "Ban The Burka"....
                            He's from a loony minority party, he's not a moderate, mainstream politician in the Netherlands. He's doing a bit of self-publicising self-martyrdom coming over here, to be honest.

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                              #15
                              I love this quote:

                              On Tuesday, Wilders received a letter from the Home Office refusing him entry because his opinions "threaten community security and therefore public security".
                              Translation: Muslims would probably go mental about him being allowed into the country - and there would probably be a lot of trouble as a result. Therefore, the British government won't let him visit.

                              So.. the muslim community have the government under their thumb; or maybe to ransom? The Home Office are scared witless about the whole situation - so they've put democratic freedoms to one side, to appease muslim sensibilities.

                              What a pathetic government we have.
                              Last edited by Leon Retro; 12-02-2009, 12:32.

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