Europe III: April F-EU-Ls

[gIzzE]

Wow!
This really is worth watching, there may be shorter versions covering the main bits, but this is what many of us suspected.

https://youtu.be/jVmSxbQwwlk

[Neon Ignition]

50 Days left till Brexit!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/theresa-may-juncker-clash-brexit-robush-backstop

An EU official has confirmed that May's talks about the backstop confirmed she doesn't have any new ideas on how to fix the issue

[Asura]

Wow!
This really is worth watching, there may be shorter versions covering the main bits, but this is what many of us suspected.

https://youtu.be/jVmSxbQwwlk

Top of the comments:

WE DON'T OWE THE PUTRID EU A SINGLE PENNY. WE'RE JUST PAYING IT £39BN OUTRIGHT EXTORTION MONEY

These people are going to be really annoyed when they're made to understand that when we leave, we need to "settle up" in some way. We're not just "ghosting" them!

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/feb/08/second-referendum-necessary-if-no-brexit-agreement-says-john-mcdonnell-politics-live

The Shadow Chancellor has said that either May gives in to Corbyns five demands that include a permanent customs union with the EU or a second referendum will become necessary.

[gIzzE]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

The Shadow Chancellor has said that either May gives in to Corbyns five demands that include a permanent customs union with the EU or a second referendum will become necessary.

So not really Brexit or have a vote that is "Not really Brexit or Remain."?

The guy is a prize plum.

It is worth watching that video I posted.
To sum up, the UK were offered a deal that was leaving with a free trade agreement and May and her cronies turned it down.

[gIzzE]

These people are going to be really annoyed when they're made to understand that when we leave, we need to "settle up" in some way. We're not just "ghosting" them!

Haha, there really are some proper numpties, they really don't do much for their cause.

[prinnysquad]

It’s interesting that the Overton Window has shifted so far to the right that generally ideas that formed the bedrock of the late 40s are now considered ‘far left’. Interestingly, a lot of opinion polls show popularity for the ‘far left’ ideas, when disassociated from Corbyn.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/back-theresa-may-brexit-deal-then-hold-peoples-vote-backbencher-plan

Maybe a trickle of common sense on the horizon

[charlesr]

It was a rubbish idea asking the public to vote on something they have no clue about the first time around.

[Dogg Thang]

This is interesting but the hard line Brexit camp only stand to lose with this. Or is there just not enough of them to block it any more?

[gIzzE]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ckbencher-plan

Maybe a trickle of common sense on the horizon

So as I said earlier...

So not really Brexit or have a vote that is "Not really Brexit or Remain."?

[gIzzE]

Well worth watching this 4 minute snip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JEtRIGyiOg&feature=youtu.be

[gIzzE]

May's deal is pathetic, it is far worse than remaining.

People's vote is offering a deal that no leaver wants or remaining.

The problem with that is many leavers would rather remain than May's deal, myself included, in fact everyone I have spoken to that voted leave.
So you will them have a skewed view that the UK now wants to remain, which simply isn't the case, it is simply many think May's deal is worse than remaining.
Well to be fair, it may be the case that the majority now want to stay, but we would never know and it would just be more divide.

The best thing to do now is retract Article 50 and stay in.
We can then have parties compete for what they are offering, if Mr. Farage and Mogg start a party that is offering a referendum to leave the EU on WTO and negotiate from there people can join and support that, if there are not enough people to support that it will be down to the Conservatives and Labour et al to put forward where they stand and they will get the backing from the voters that agree with their polices.

[gIzzE]

I apologise or the Daily Wail link, but there is a great summary of the new Corbyn Biography by Tom Bower on there.

For those who have not followed his career it is well worth the 10 minute read.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6686639/Jeremy-Corbyn-drove-friends-flat-WANTED-Diane-Abbott-naked-bed.html

[CMcK]

Have you seen the new Farage endorsed Brexit party? Their leader thinks people on low incomes should learn from Himalayan Sherpas and eat potatoes with plenty of salt and a dash of chilli.