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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostHave any of them actually proposed a workable alternative to the backstop?
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The only workable backstop alternatives remain:
-Impose a hard border
-Revoke Article 50
A customs union led Brexit is the height or moronic thinking. If they can't get a deal through and don't want a no deal scenario then remaining becomes the only justifiable outcome because leaving in a way that you keep all the rules but lose the perks is the ultimate in thick thinking. Hence, it's probably the one they'll end up settling for.
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostHave any of them actually proposed a workable alternative to the backstop?
We are arguing about our own proposal which the EU accepted as a compromise.
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May has urged MP's to 'get it done' on backing her deal and gave no ideas on what she will do after the next vote whilst taking no personal responsibility for the current state of Brexit. The Deputy General of the CBI said her speech wasn't good enough.
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If nothing else good comes out of Brexit I hope it at least starts a serious debate on how the UK is governed and how we elect the people that represent us. The manner in which the PM has been allowed to run down the clock is appalling. And while it’s good we have a revisionist chamber that needs a thorough overhaul too.
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All the day’s politics news, with Theresa May’s Brexit speech in Grimsby, and Jeremy Corbyn at Scottish Labour conference
Meanwhile:
-Corbyn has said that Labour isn't shifting away from the option of a second referendum
-May says if MPs vote her deal down the UK may not leave the EU for months or potentially ever
-May seems to concede that the EU may insist on a second referendum in order to agree an extension of Article 50
-May dismissed a concern that only one female question giver was allowed on International Women's Day by saying 'you've had all your questions answered by a female PM'
-The ERG look set to join the other parties in voting down May's deal again next week
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Downing Street has finally confirmed that talks with the EU have deadlocked and May's next visit to Brussels has been put on hold. Senior Conservative MP's are now said to be pressurising her to cancel tomorrow's meaningful vote.
Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the build-up to tomorrow’s key Brexit vote
The current line of thinking is that May may replace tomorrow's vote with an indicative vote where she tables a different deal albeit one that has already been rejected by the EU. This would be in the hope of having MP's vote in favour of it and show the EU there is a majority for a deal hoping the EU then relents on some issues. It's a different type of vote but it firmly closes the door on her own agreed deal, also closes the door on a short Brexit extension and is frankly embarrassing to do 18 days before the deadline.
However, any change to tomorrows meaningful vote will prove a step too far for Labour and formal motions will likely begin on forcing an extension of Article 50, presumably rising the risk to May of a second referendum becoming the only way to get all parties to engage on her last minute sprint for survival.
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the build-up to tomorrow’s key Brexit vote
Ian Blackford, SNP, has said that Labour are trying to wriggle from the second referendum by insisting its existence hangs on a better deal being found saying any extension of Article 50 would be used by the party to push for a new deal that more closely mirrored its own preferences rather than arranging a second public vote. Basically, publicly supporting one whilst never intending to deliver one. Later today a motion will be tabled for a second Scottish Independence referendum should Brexit occur. The motion will fail but Blackford says it will formally start the wheels of discussion on the matter.
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the build-up to tomorrow’s key Brexit vote
Tory and Labour MP's started to fire up their guns at May about cancelling tomorrows vote and so now No.10 has formally confirmed that the vote will still be going ahead and if the deal fails then the other two votes will follow likely the following day
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the build-up to tomorrow’s key Brexit vote
A suggestion that May and Barnier did come to some sort of arranged settlement over the weekend but London shot it to pieces leaving them with nothing. May is set to speak to Juncker again today but in the EU the thinking is 'bleak' and one person is said to have spoken of dealing with a 'post-May government'
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