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    The Programming Thread (was New to Programming)

    Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but anyway...

    Where is the best place to start for someone who wants to learn how programming works? I mean, extreme beginners. I did a 'Hello World' in C about 7 years ago, and I can't remember how to do that anymore - that basic. This is just something I want to do for fun in my own time, I've no real intention to start coding apps seriously (though that would be nice once I get to that point), I simply want to learn and understand.

    I gather C++ is the best place to start these days? As I understand it, it seems to make more sense than 'unlearning' the higher level languages later on at any rate. If people agree with this, can anyone recommend a book, or a place to get started?
    Last edited by Brad; 17-05-2011 at 11:12 AM.

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    Start off with C. C++, like Java, is object orientated.

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    Why C? I'd have said Object Orientated was the way to go really. I used this book once, It divides everything up into hourly chapters. There's a large emphasis on theory rather than coding at the start, then the second half of the book has you building a single application. The 2010 version seems to get bad reviews though.

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    ^That sounds like a book that could work for me. I don't really have enough free time to put significant amount of time a day into this, it's just something I want to do in my free time, so breaking it up into hour-long sections sounds ideal. I'll find out what, if anything, is wrong with the 2010 edition first though.

    I assumed C++ would be a good place to start for me simply because it appears to be the dominant language. You reckon C# would be better?

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    C# is essentially Microsoft's answer to Java, and they both share a lot of the same theory, at least for a beginner anyway. The modern focus is on Object-Orientated design. Java is possibly the most popular language in existence. C++ would be a lot harder to learn, and probably isn't the best introduction.

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    The reviews for that particular book suggest that it's better for people with prior knowledge of programming - would you agree with that? I'm basically looking for a book that assumes no prior knowledge, but isn't going to be too patronising or skip over things (I used 'C for Dummies' once and it kinda irked me).

    Have you ever used this book? I know it's for C++, but the reviews sounds positive.

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    I was recommended that I learn Python, "because you can print Hello World with one line". I did that fine, but I'm impatient - I wanted to make a program with a GUI, to do that I had to download extra stuff and work out how to put it all together.

    So, I wrote a program using AutoHotKey instead. Real programmers will scoff, but I got the computer to do what I wanted to do in about 2 days, so who's laughing... probably nowhere near as powerful for what you want to do though.

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    For me it's kinda the opposite. It's not so much that I want to write apps (although that will be a part of the process, and probably essential for practice), more that I want to learn and understand.

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    Avoid C, it's only used for legacy code or really low level hardware stuff these days. If you want to write procedural style programming you can learn that just as easily in C++.

    I would say, as your instincts have told you, that C++ is a much better option than Java or C#. For one thing going from C++ to Java/C# is a lot easier than doing the reverse. While I learnt Java first I had a really good teacher who taught us C++ principles along side it. I've seen many people however who didn't get this grounding and they don't have a clue what Java is doing under the hood, which is a bit dangerous really. The freedom that C++ gives you makes it a lot easier to write little bits of code to learn fundamental algorithms and data structure designs that would be good for a beginner to play around with. You'll learn what's really going on in the compiler. Self taught Java can result in a number of bad practices being picked up. A beginning Java/C# programmer will spend far more time reading library documentation and far less time coding than a C++ learner will.

    I can't recommend any particular beginner C++ book as like I say I came off Java but I would recommend getting the following in addition:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Programmin...9357258&sr=8-3
    This is the guy who created C++. This book goes into great depth on the real specifics of the language. As a reference book for any topic you want greater detail on it is unparalled. Though you do have to put up with a few off topic ramblings now and then which are of debatable truth.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Pocket-Ref...9357727&sr=1-1
    A great, small, cheap, concise reference book. Perfect for revision of quickly checking something. Once you've got your head around basic algorithms and start using the STL rather than writing them yourself they do an STL one too.

    Key thing is to just keep cracking at it. Programming, despite what some people might portray, is real easy, most people can do it. If you ever get stuck on a concept, move on and revisit it later. With a clear head it's amazing how some things can suddenly become clear.

    Set yourself little projects as well coding little algorithms. A few I recommend are Huffman encoding, Red-Black trees, run length encoding, various sorting algorithms like merge sort, quicksort and heapsort. These are great ways to practice coding while learning fundamental building blocks that are achievable and give a sense of achievement in the early stages.

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