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    Originally posted by Leon Retro View Post



    We can now look back at very old films and games and see violent content as quaint and quite laughable. That definitely says a lot about how realistic the violence in games and films now is. .
    Games, maybe but when it comes to films I've never seen a more graphic and violent flim , than The Maniac.; Tom Savini even said he was called a killer by various groups and even someone in the NY police .

    Only once in video games did I feel uncomfortable to play and didn't like it and that was like I said in GTA 5 . The only shock and awe moment in video games for me, was the moment In RE 7 when the Police Office had his head cut in half , I was taken aback at that moment and it shock me a little, but it's a game at the end of the day.

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      Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
      Games, maybe but when it comes to films I've never seen a more graphic and violent flim , than The Maniac.; Tom Savini even said he was called a killer by various groups and even someone in the NY police .
      I haven't seen that, but of course lots of old films have graphic violence. But when you revisit lots of really old films that contain violence and were maybe quite shocking at the time, the effects(blood etc..) can look unrealistic. You definitely don't get the general level of realism when it comes to violence and gore that is the norm today in films and tv shows. Everything now is shockingly realistic.

      I personally find a lot of old horror films to be quaint with unrealistic effects and gore. It makes me realise that, as an adult, they're not as shocking as they seemed to be as a kid.

      We were always going to reach a point where violence and gore in films was going to be totally realistic. With games, graphics gradually became more and more realistic, to the point where violence in games can now be truly disturbing.

      I don't know if the general "anything goes" attitude in modern society is having a bad effect on lots of people. There's so much negativity in the modern world surrounding everything from games, films, music, to the internet etc... Maybe some people who are exposed to this are reacting in a way that makes them feel angry or violent. I really think we need studies to try to ascertain if modern culture is having a general bad effect on people. It might be causing negative behaviour -- with part of that manifesting itself as violence in some individuals.

      Culture has dramatically changed in every area over the past 30+ years, so we really need to take an adult approach an assess whether some aspects of modern life are fueling some of negative things that are now the norm in society. I'm all for making society a more pleasant, positive place for everyone to live.
      Last edited by Leon Retro; 06-08-2019, 19:39.

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        Originally posted by Leon Retro View Post
        I haven't seen that, but of course lots of old films have graphic violence. But when you revisit lots of really old films that contain violence and were maybe quite shocking at the time, the effects(blood etc..) can look unrealistic. You definitely don't get the general level of realism when it comes to violence and gore that is the norm today in films
        I don't want to go off topic to much, but CGI looks fake in most horror films and I much rather the practical effects, more from the masters like Savini and Baker. Griffin Dunne throat hanging out in Werewolf in London, is far more graphics and far more real, than the CGI crap one gets these days. I've never seen a more realistic effect, than the autopsy zombie, spilling his guts out in Day Of Dead (1984)

        One should be able to tell the difference between films and games.. If video games were playing a part, why is Japan one of the most peaceful, crime-free places, in the Modern world.

        I think more to blame is the internet its self, rather than films or games.

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          Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
          If video games were playing a part, why is Japan one of the most peaceful, crime-free places, in the Modern world.
          They're too busy playing airy-fairy RPGs.

          But seriously, there are also social issues in Japan. Lots of young people under 40 stay at home and don't want to face life. They have low self-esteem and suffer from things like agoraphobia.

          I'm just saying that maybe the modern world -- and everything that comes with it -- is having a bad effect on some people. For some the symptoms might be depression, anxiety, or maybe anger. I think it's affecting lots of people who are exposed to things like explicit violence in films, tv shows, and games. And other things like aggressive music, hardcore pornography, and a general feeling that modern life feels harsh and shallow. All of these things might be contributing to a feeling of negativity in some people.

          The fact that we can look back at old fashioned films, tv shows, music, and culture in general and everything seems quaint in comparison to what we take for granted in the modern world, really highlights how society has changed a lot over a 50 year period. Whether these changes are having a negative affect on society or not, definitely needs to be examined. Lots of things that used to be seen as extreme and unusual have now been normalised. I'd be interested to know if modern life/society is creating all sorts of negativity.

          Some people will simply say the world has always been a brutal, violent place to exist. That is obviously true, but it doesn't mean that modern life doesn't need to be examined to see if certain things are having a negative impact on people. I don't think anyone would say modern life is full of sunshine and joy, so we definitely need to strive towards building a better future for all. If that means altering certain things to make society a more positive place, then so be it. The "anything goes" mentality that has been pushed over the past 20+ years is an abject failure. We need a more sensible, positive approach.
          Last edited by Leon Retro; 06-08-2019, 23:38.

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            Originally posted by Dogg Thang View Post
            Yep. TA has seen a dog with a fluffy tail and is chasing it. This is not relevant to what is happening right now.
            Considering to the last. Video games being blamed is nothing new and neither is mass shootings in America sadly. When we had the Virginia Tech campus mass shooting, video games were again brought into and blamed; It's such a predictable pattern, just like Dogg Thang knowing best

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              Originally posted by Leon Retro View Post
              I'm just saying that maybe the modern world -- and everything that comes with it -- is having a bad effect on some people. For some the symptoms might be depression, anxiety, or maybe anger. I think it's affecting lots of people who are exposed to things like explicit violence in films, tv shows, and games. And other things like aggressive music, hardcore pornography, and a general feeling that modern life feels harsh and shallow. All of these things might be contributing to a feeling of negativity in some people.
              You left out the internet . Not so sure films are more violent mind, I doubt films like Robocop, New York Ripper, Maniac or Falling Down would be made in this day and age. I agree with you on the world getting ever more violent mind and think it's own a matter of time until our Police need to be armed.

              I don't want to look to make light of the subject or anything like that. But I remember watching The Terminator and thinking it must be made up that a person could walk into a shop and buy all those guns, only for it to be perfectly true (other than cyborg buying guns) I love America, but just work out their gun laws and the need for need automatic guns

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                Originally posted by Leon Retro View Post
                The fact that we can look back at old fashioned films, tv shows, music, and culture in general and everything seems quaint in comparison to what we take for granted in the modern world, really highlights how society has changed a lot over a 50 year period. Whether these changes are having a negative affect on society or not, definitely needs to be examined. Lots of things that used to be seen as extreme and unusual have now been normalised. I'd be interested to know if modern life/society is creating all sorts of negativity.
                Ah yes, those great times during World War 2

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                  It is worth pointing out that there has only been a small period of time when the policy of the industrialised nations of the world was the slaughter of innocent people in their homes with hundreds of thousands of people killed and that period is not now.

                  Murder rates are *way* down on previous generations. People get angry, they go off the handle. Don't give them easy access to heavy weaponry at that point in time when they have lost control (be that in the planning stage or the execution stage).

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                    The other thing is that it doesn't really matter how "realistic" it is in the sense that people were scared of being run over by a train in the very early period of cinema. A black and white, out of focus prbably frame-skipping train.
                    The human brain fills those gaps in which is why, as gamers especially, we have had "photorealism" from the 32-bit era onwards. It can have that effect. Yes, let's do research into it but I think the likelihood of anyone of us being wired quite the same way (experiences and genetics) as a mass shooter is fairly low.

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                      America is long, long past the point where it can make any convincing argument to anyone but itself that their shootings aren't the result of their own gun laws, unhealthy relationship with gun ownership and their chronic lack of understanding of their own constitutional rights. Every gun ownership supporting American's hands are dripping in innocent blood and eventually, be it in the short or long term as a nation, that fact is going to break them.

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                        If you look at any comments section on something addressing these shootings, anything but addressing military weapons being easy to access is to blame.

                        "A car can kill people, should we ban all cars?!"
                        "Knives kill people, ban all knives!"
                        "Disease kills more people than guns!"
                        "Only people with mental health problems kill people!"
                        "All those gun death stats are mainly gang crime!"
                        "I own a gun and I've never killed anyone"
                        "How do I kill the 30-50 feral hogs that run into my yard within 3-5 mins while my small kids play?"
                        and the perpetual favourite "Somebody doesn't die every time a gun is bought, but somebody dies every time someone has an abortion."

                        I don't get how they get so wound up about abortion, but not school shootings?

                        Last edited by QualityChimp; 07-08-2019, 09:51.

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                          It's an easy way out and complete scapegoat to blame the Video games industry, rather than American Gun laws.

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                            Originally posted by QualityChimp View Post
                            "How do I kill the 30-50 feral hogs that run into my yard within 3-5 mins while my small kids play?"
                            Build a border wall like you are for stopping immigrants.

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                                Originally posted by Team Andromeda View Post
                                You left out the internet .
                                Yeah, the internet is a breeding ground for all sorts of negativity. There's just so much horrible stuff on the net. Plus you have bullying and general negative behaviour that upsets people.

                                Kids definitely need more education about how to handle the internet and deal with things that make them feel depressed. I still think government doesn't properly understand the net, so lots of negative issues surrounding the net aren't being tackled properly.

                                When it comes to violence in films and games, I'm sure that it doesn't affect most people. I watch horror films and they don't have any negative effect on me -- I forget about them the next day. Although, I do think some violent scenes in films and tv shows are sometimes way too excessively graphic. It's up to experts to assess whether exposure to graphic violence can have a negative impact on a certain percentage of people.

                                When it comes to society, I think schools need to focus more on teaching kids about how to handle the modern world. They also need to teach kids about morals and respect. Kids(of all ages) need to learn about positive things that might inspire them. All the focus on the internet needs to be countered with education about real world inspirational figures who don't spend their lives glued to the net. I think successful people visiting schools would be a good idea.

                                Young people really need to be more rational about the internet and not let it dominate their thinking. It's up to adults to inspire them to embrace the wider world away from the web. Maybe that would help many people to feel more positive about life.

                                We definitely don't want draconian censorship and the government using it to clamp down on free speech.
                                Last edited by Leon Retro; 08-08-2019, 01:13.

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