Europe IV: The Final Hour

[QualityChimp]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/05/corbyn-insists-labour-brexit-stance-really-isnt-complicated

Corbyn insists Labour's Brexit stance 'really isn't complicated'
"Party leader reiterates his decision not to back leave or remain ahead of election

Jeremy Corbyn has repeated his insistence that his party will not take sides between leave and remain ahead of the election, as he said Labour’s Brexit policy “really isn’t complicated”.


The Labour leader was delivering a speech on Brexit in the leave-voting seat of Harlow, Essex, as the party’s election campaign gathers pace.


“It’s time to take the decision out of the hands of politicians and trust the people to decide,” he said. “This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or remaining in the European Union. That’s the policy. It really isn’t complicated.”


Corbyn said: “People sometimes accuse me of trying to talk to both sides at once in the Brexit debate, to people who voted leave and remain. You know what? They’re right.


“Why would I only want to talk to half the country? I don’t want to live in half a country,” he added."

[MartyG]

I guess they are at least pushing for some sort of clarifying referendum, which is really the only chance remain has.

Only after they've wasted another 6-12 months trying to negotiate yet another deal, assuming they keep their word - a big assumption given they keep changing their position on Brexit every other week.

[Neon Ignition]

Labour's position will be pretty straight forward, I think it's fairly reliable to believe them that they can get a new deal within 3 months because they've been casing it for so long now and it would be so close in alignment that it'd be an easy one to sort out. They'd then completely fall in line with supporting that deal in a referendum over remain, it'd be down to individual Labour MP's to stand up for Remain which I'm sure plenty would but despite being a leaver Corbyn likely wouldn't make a huge fuss because he'd have what he wanted, the PM job. It's definitely become crystal clear very quickly that Labour is the sole hope for Remain whether they want to be it or not.

[MartyG]

Labour's fence sitting is what is going to cost them the election.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/05/tories-unrepentant-about-doctored-video-of-keir-starmer-tv-appearance

The Tories just jump straight into outright propaganda

[QualityChimp]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-tv-appearance

The Tories just jump straight into outright propaganda

I saw that. As I said yesterday, it's nuts that newspapers get fined, sued or have to retract and apologise, but politicians can say whatever they want without being held to account.

[Dogg Thang]

Yep, and this freedom from consequences is now being used very deliberately and people are being manipulated. It's past a point where steps need to be taken to prevent this.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/nov/06/general-election-news-latest-boris-johnson-corbyn-dismisses-boris-johnsons-stalin-slur-as-nonsense-live-news

Another Corbyn speech where he repeats the endless mantra they all use of 'once in a generation vote' even though it's already the third in 4 years. He also lays out 10 goals for Labour:

01 - End to In Work Poverty within 5 years
02 - End of Homelessness within 5 years
03 - End of dependencies on food banks within 5 years
04 - 1.4 million older people no longer needing help within 5 years
05 - Scrapping tuition fees
06 - The building of hundreds of thousands of affordable homes
07 - End of 4hr+ waiting times at A&E and the cut down on waiting times for cancer sufferers for treatment
08 - Teaching classes to fall below 30 pupils per class
09 - Brexit completed whether Leave or Remain within 6 months of a Labour win
10 - Creation of thousands of green energy related jobs and significant fall in greenhouse emissions

[Zaki]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ense-live-news

Another Corbyn speech where he repeats the endless mantra they all use of 'once in a generation vote' even though it's already the third in 4 years. He also lays out 10 goals for Labour:

01 - End to In Work Poverty within 5 years
02 - End of Homelessness within 5 years
03 - End of dependencies on food banks within 5 years
04 - 1.4 million older people no longer needing help within 5 years
05 - Scrapping tuition fees
06 - The building of hundreds of thousands of affordable homes
07 - End of 4hr+ waiting times at A&E and the cut down on waiting times for cancer sufferers for treatment
08 - Teaching classes to fall below 30 pupils per class
09 - Brexit completed whether Leave or Remain within 6 months of a Labour win
10 - Creation of thousands of green energy related jobs and significant fall in greenhouse emissions

Modern Moses.

[Neon Ignition]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1192045191043137541

Corbyn should just outright say there won't be two referendums next year to shut this tiresome line down

[QualityChimp]

Yep, and this freedom from consequences is now being used very deliberately and people are being manipulated. It's past a point where steps need to be taken to prevent this.

They also know they can just delete tweets later, once the misinformation has been spread.

It just feels like the Tories are using 1984 as a guide.

And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'

The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. . . . Power is not a means; it is an end . . . not power over things, but over men. . . . In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. . . . There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party.

A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics'. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

[QualityChimp]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...45191043137541

Corbyn should just outright say there won't be two referendums next year to shut this tiresome line down

Those are some fine words from Boris Johnson, man of the people, infuriatingly tied up in red tape by those rotters in Parliament.

From the back of a ****ing chauffeur-driven car.

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[MartyG]

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...45191043137541

Corbyn should just outright say there won't be two referendums next year to shut this tiresome line down

If Corbyn has a minority government needing to be backup by the SNP, there will be two referendums next year as a Scotland Indepenence referedum will be the price.

[Neon Ignition]

Could the SNP realistically hold one in 2020? Surely their campaign is dependent on making a case based on the UK's situation regarding Brexit meaning that if Labour managed to get a Second Referendum done by June 2020 then the SNP would require time to re-evaluate the new facts and landscape depending on its outcome as holding a second independence referendum would be very different in a world where Brexit is cancelled versus one where it takes place meaning they'd be looking at the end of 2020 which would be very easy for Labour to say 'you can have one but it needs to be held off till at least 2021 which would then kick it to late 2021 because of the Scottish parliamentary elections and the SNP having to be wary of voter weariness. Their current 2020 push makes more sense in light of a Tory majority rather than as part of a Labour coalition where their own referendum risk breaking the same coalition within months.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/nov/06/general-election-news-latest-boris-johnson-corbyn-dismisses-boris-johnsons-stalin-slur-as-nonsense-live-news

Boris's speech was awful, just a vomiting of tired lies.

-Doesn't want an election despite the party being in campaign mode since the first day he took office
-Surge of investment from other countries if Brexit happens
-40 New NHS hospitals since he took on the PM role (actual total is 6)
-Labour would ban Ofsted
-Labour would have no controls on immigration
-Labours Second Referendum would then lead to a Third Referendum

He was distracted though as the Tories aims of success in Wales took a hard hit by the resignation of the Welsh Secretary after it was revealed Alun Cairns lied about him knowing that a aide he had backed for the Welsh Assembly had sabotaged a rape trial.

Meanwhile Bercow has called Brexit the biggest mistake the UK has made since the war.