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    Revenge for the Endgame thread

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      Originally posted by prinnysquad View Post
      Without giving away details, are any of my predictions correct? Just a yes or no.
      Spoilered one word answer, assuming the leak is correct:


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        Episode 5


        I feel like I could write about the fanfic level writing and amount of dumbness in the ep but at this point it's a given with the show. There's no dancing around how it has failed to deliver a worthy ending anymore so taken purely as is... it was okay in a Day After Tomorrow/2012/Independence Day disaster porn way. The most irritating thing is the amount of people online complaining about Dany's turn to the dark side, only a prat hasn't seen her fall coming for years

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          Seems to me Dany is the Night King. The more soldiers she loses the more she seems to have.

          I've taken ****s that lasted longer than the Golden Company.

          And he might know nothing, but Jon Snow sure as **** knows something now.


          Last edited by Jaz; 13-05-2019, 12:54.

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            Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
            Episode 5
            The problem with the later series is that they've moved towards the shock factor, rather than the subtlety of Martin's monologues.


            Dany turning evil, for the show, has happen pretty much across two episodes (and with the "i've gone mad - look at my makeup to prove it") - if more time had been spent showing her alone thoughts, it would better explain her descent into madness over time, rather than just dropping the "I've turned evil" hammer through a big glass window.

            The problem now is that John can't allow Dany to continue, so ultimately he'll be killed off too I suspect (when he should rightly be the ruler of the seven kingdoms). Sansa becoming ruler wouldn't wash with me, so I hope that's not where they're going with it - Gendry has a better claim than any of the remaining Starks.

            Magical travel (yet again) , self-replicating armies and dragon fire that's seemingly able to cause stone towers to come crashing down being more eye-rollers and Euron can just sod off (probably the worst GoT character ever but his presumed death, given we didn't actually see it happen, didn't really feel fitting to his character - I'd much rather have seen Yara destroy him in a more pleasing way, rather than a clumsy duel with Jamie) at least the goodbye between Ayra and Sandor seemed more sincere



            I can't see how they can wrap this up satisfactorily now in the final episode and leave me happy.

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              Total bobbins. What a shame.

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                This whole season can be summed up by what happened to...




                The "scorpion" ballista things.

                Do they kill dragons. or not?

                In one episode they're lethal. In this episode an entire army of them gets destroyed by the smallest dragon in what feels like a few moments.

                The previous eps set them up as some kind of game-changing weapon that flipped the balance of power in the series, and Danaerys's solution was to... I dunno, destroy them faster?




                The action was wonderful. Like, really top-notch. But the story seems to have taken an absolute nosedive!

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                  Another bad fan fiction wankfest episode.

                  It was better than last weeks, but that was a right turd. This like stepping on a lesser turd.

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                    I thought it was absolutely brilliant from start to finish.

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                      This thread is turning into a right whinge-fest.

                      There's no such thing as fan fiction with this show. Just guessed stuff. It’s all been said before. There’s no outcome that hasn’t been predicted by someone.

                      I’d love to know what folk would do differently. Bearing in mind that it’s a fortune to produce and couldn’t go on for years more.

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                        I think it’s a pretty good fake out, I’d say a ballista can take out a injured distracted dragon that was shown struggling to fly, but what the show showed here was a dragon moving at full attack speed absolutely decimating the defences. She also took a lot of them by surprise. Using the sun was a masterstroke. This covers her first attack and she is able to get in amongst them and cause chaos. They showed there was no way to move them fast enough to keep track of a dragon in flight and this is exactly what jrr Martin has said, “no ballista can take out a healthy dragon”.

                        I think a lot of people have gone into the let’s hate GOT camp because the show doesn’t align with there fan theory. The posturing the trickery and the twists are what got people into the show and your never going to please everyone with the conclusion.

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                          Originally posted by prinnysquad View Post
                          This thread is turning into a right whinge-fest.
                          Seriously Prinny, c'mon now... My point in the spoiler was perfectly fair.

                          It'd be like if in Lord of the Rings, they say early in the series that the ring needs to be tossed into the fires of Mt. Doom, then later destroy it in a bonfire that's just really really really hot.

                          You can't establish a "rule" of your in-story logic, and then have a character break that rule the very next episode, and not expect some people to complain.

                          If you like it, that's fine, more power to you, but I'm glad it's nearly over. Taken as a whole, I've loved the show, and the action in this season is very good. I just think the storytelling and characterisation aren't as good as they once were.

                          EDIT: Unreservedly though I liked...


                          the last moment between Arya and the Hound, and the Hound's fight/death with the Mountain.

                          Last edited by Asura; 13-05-2019, 21:08.

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                            I wholly disagree. Lebowski covers it well.

                            Taking out a dragon ambling around the skies like a big fanny at optimal trajectory is a totally different deal to taking out a beast flying at top swooping velocity in a near-vertical descent from the sun. Drogon pitched and rolled, too, making a far more difficult target. When attacking the scorpions on the shore, it approached from a low angle so that they were pointing down, banked quickly, then flanked them on its second run.



                            I really don’t think any rules were broken. The surprise attack in the last episode was arguably stupid, but this one is totally in keeping with established lore.

                            This show was always going to get a lot of cuss for the way it panned out. I’m genuinely interested to see how people would have done things differently, re, completing character arcs. The brevity of the storyline seems to me to be due to cost, commitments and the way they’ve been going almost a decade and it couldn’t afford to go the same pace forever, otherwise you shed viewers and get accused of padding out. Martin said he would have kept it going several more seasons. I don’t think that’s viable. It’s expensive tele, and if viewers are lost then budgets are cut.

                            The demise of Daenerys has been evident to me since at least the roasting of the Tarlys. She just doesn’t play the game well and relies on brute force and fear rather than subtle nuances and balances.
                            Last edited by prinnysquad; 13-05-2019, 21:35.

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                              Originally posted by prinnysquad View Post
                              I wholly disagree. Lebowski covers it well.

                              Taking out a dragon ambling around the skies like a big fanny at optimal trajectory is a totally different deal to taking out a beast flying at top swooping velocity in a near-vertical descent from the sun. Drogon pitched and rolled, too, making a far more difficult target. When attacking the scorpions on the shore, it approached from a low angle so that they were pointing down, banked quickly, then flanked them on its second run.
                              I noticed all that, but I didn't feel it had the right build-up. Danaerys's use of the dragons previously has been quite instinctual; there's been little to suggest she's actually a shrewd warrior from the back of them. To me, it's still the same thing...


                              ... she just "did it better" this time around.

                              Like consider - they could've had a scene where, after they lost the previous dragon, and she was holed up in her room for a week, she could've been idly whittling away at a little model of one of the scorpions - or perhaps, more likely, one of her servants could've constructed one. Tyrion/Varys might've looked upon it as symptoms of her growing madness, like she was becoming fixated on tragic moment the weapon killed her dragon, and the audience could've seen it in the same light. Then, when the destruction happened, Tyrion would see her destroying them and realise she was trying to understand the limitations of the weapon. Then it might've worked a bit better; setup and payoff.



                              In any case, I'm not certain it's productive to debate it; if you like it, great. I'm gonna keep watching for the awesome dragon VFX.

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                                I don’t think that level of glaring exposition was needed. She clearly learnt the lesson from last time. There’s not a great deal more she can do on a dragon except what she did against the Lannisters. Go in hard and fast from cover, and stay low.

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