Europe III: April F-EU-Ls

[charlesr]

"24. National rules on both public and private funding of political parties and election
campaigns must be applicable to referendum campaigns (point II.3.4.a). As in the case of
elections, funding must be transparent, particularly when it comes to campaign accounts. In the
event of a failure to abide by the statutory requirements, for instance if the cap on spending is
exceeded by a significant margin, the vote must be annulled18. It should be pointed out that the
principle of equality of opportunity applies to public funding; equality should be ensured
between a proposal’s supporters and opponents (point I.2.2.d).
25. There must be no use of public funds by the authorities for campaigning purposes, in
order to guarantee equality of opportunity and the freedom of voters to form an opinion (point
II.3.4.b, cf. point I.3.1.b). "

[Asura]

It's a disgrace, the whole leadership thing. Back when May ran for the office, hardly anyone stood up to be counted. Now the sharks are circling the blood in the water.

They didn't want to get involved when things were bad; now they can't really get worse and every ****er wants to be PM.

[MartyG]

I think it's more down to the extreme right of the conservative party desperate to push through a hard Brexit regardless of economic consequences seeing May as trying to soften the stance and thus wanting to remove her.

[Neon Ignition]

At this point it's pretty much looking like the plan is to maintain a stalemate until the point of no return thereby automatically triggering No Deal, that way hard brexit happens and everyone gets to hold up their hands and protest innocence.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/may-faces-brexit-defeat-as-labour-backs-customs-union-amendment

Labour set to vote to amend the Trade Bill so that if the Tories are unable to agree a frictionless trade deal with the EU then the UK must fall into a customs union with them. Would kind of kill the negotiations immediately and lock us in for a 'Deal but the Worst Deal' scenario.

[charlesr]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nion-amendment

Labour set to vote to amend the Trade Bill so that if the Tories are unable to agree a frictionless trade deal with the EU then the UK must fall into a customs union with them. Would kind of kill the negotiations immediately and lock us in for a 'Deal but the Worst Deal' scenario.

I can't see how the EU will agree to anything else. If we say "can we have wot Norway haz plz?" they will say no because they want to deter other states from leaving the Union. So it was always going to be "not as good as what anyone else has" by default. And then when we are over a barrel, the US will negotiate a slightly less rubbish deal that is still rubbish, but we won't have any choice but to take it, along with whatever other scraps we can get from elsewhere. It only works if we have something worth selling, and essentially we don't - only digital services like finance that can ultimately be done anywhere. And Cornish Pasties.

[MartyG]

The Norway model means being a member of the EEA which means accepting the free movement of people, services, goods and capital.

It's the UK that doesn't want that.

[Dogg Thang]

Well you say that and, yeah, some people are saying it but it's an example some quite prominent Leavers gave during the campaign as a model that works. So I'm not convinced the UK doesn't want that.

This again comes back to the problem that what people actually voted for is not remotely clear.

[fishbowlhead]

Well you say that and, yeah, some people are saying it but it's an example some quite prominent Leavers gave during the campaign as a model that works. So I'm not convinced the UK doesn't want that.

This again comes back to the problem that what people actually voted for is not remotely clear.

So they don’t want immigrants or to be in the eu but they still want to trade with the eu and have free moving immigrants as part of a deal like that.

So basically like being in the eu then?

Jeeeeeeeessssssuuuuuuuusssssss

[Dogg Thang]

So basically like being in the eu then?

Except without any influence in it, yeah.

[MartyG]

Well you say that and, yeah, some people are saying it but it's an example some quite prominent Leavers gave during the campaign as a model that works. So I'm not convinced the UK doesn't want that.

This again comes back to the problem that what people actually voted for is not remotely clear.

The government is saying that - it's in the white paper and it's the government that's negotiating with the EU. The UK wants free trade of goods whilst leaving out services and free movement of people.

That isn't the Norway model, the EU would more than likely accept a Norway arrangement with the UK but it's never going to accept the compromise of the four freedoms.

Why is it that those that shout "Fake News" the loudest are those most guilty of spreading it? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...grants-twitter

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/18/anna-soubry-attacks-tory-whips-threats-over-brexit-votes

Theresa May has avoided the leadership contest once again by winning last nights vote against amending the Trade Bill. This means that a potential outcome for No Deal still exists, it also disproved the notion that had been knocked around that a clear majority of MP's supported the UK remaining in a customs union. With the requirement of a Customs Union Agreement dead as well as the Meaningful Vote also now being dead, it means that the eventual final form of the White Paper will be submitted to the EU. If they turn it down, as expected... well, hold on to your seats.

[fishbowlhead]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-brexit-votes

Theresa May has avoided the leadership contest once again by winning last nights vote against amending the Trade Bill. This means that a potential outcome for No Deal still exists, it also disproved the notion that had been knocked around that a clear majority of MP's supported the UK remaining in a customs union. With the requirement of a Customs Union Agreement dead as well as the Meaningful Vote also now being dead, it means that the eventual final form of the White Paper will be submitted to the EU. If they turn it down, as expected... well, hold on to your seats.

For FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF sake.

[Neon Ignition]

May should start trying to swing Trump into agreeing a Tariff tree trade deal with the UK. It seems unlikely but given the one the EU just agreed with Japan I'd imagine he'd be keen to be seen as retaliating like-for-like

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/18/eu-assault-on-mays-white-paper-heightens-no-deal-brexit-fears

EU officials have said that May's White Paper essentially isn't that good and isn't strong enough to hold talks over. This further cements the likelihood that they will ultimately reject it and we get into No Deal territory