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  1. #381
    Why does the gaming industry continue to try and get away with crap like this?

    https://np.reddit.com/r/Steam/commen...were_in_space/

    I've now blocked all RedShell domains at my router.

    Games known to have the SpyWare installed so far: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...m9D-VB/pubhtml

    RedShell are using your SteamID64 as their tracker - this is uniquely personally identifying so harvesting this data without explicit consent is certainly likely to be a breach of GDPR. I'm in the process of having the data collected provided to me, having it wiped and further collection denied.
    Last edited by MartyG; 18-06-2018 at 07:44 PM.

  2. #382
    Itís obviously not legal in any way at all, not only are they spying on the public they are also stealing whatever data they want.

    Where abouts is this company based? If there in the uk we should all pay the owner a nice visit, see how they like that.

  3. #383
    OK/NORMAL

    This looks like you fell asleep playing an N64 game and carried on playing in your dreams.


  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by MartyG View Post
    Why does the gaming industry continue to try and get away with crap like this?

    https://np.reddit.com/r/Steam/commen...were_in_space/

    I've now blocked all RedShell domains at my router....
    Saw this on the ESO forums but until this post forgot about it (only game I have that was impacted, which isn't through Steam). I believe the Zenimax Online Studio's apology and reasons they were considering it. That said it's I find it hard to believe it's not junk or garbage data anyway. In ESO's case the game has exploded twice in the small time I've played it. Both when Morrowind and Summerset came out. And for me personally there was no single 'origin point' when I created an account on their game.

  5. #385
    If what was being collected was completely innocent and anonymous as claimed, they'd have been upfront in the first place about collecting the data and asked for permission to do so. The fact they asked for my Steam64ID to stop the tracking shows they're tying it all to that.

    It seems most developers are removing it now - I shall see what data comes back from RedShell, but I've not ruled out making a formal complaint to the ICO.

    Also - 2 days until the Steam Summer Sale.
    Last edited by MartyG; 19-06-2018 at 12:34 PM.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by MartyG View Post
    If what was being collected was completely innocent and anonymous as claimed, they'd have been upfront in the first place about collecting the data and asked for permission to do so. The fact they asked for my Steam64ID to stop the tracking shows they're tying it all to that.
    Absolutely. I was just relating this to ESO. My guess is they'd argue it's use is covered by T&C's or TOS's, but I don't disagree these sort of things need to be communicated clearly.

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  8. #388
    I got the data back from Redshell that they'd collected from my machine - the CSV file contained this:

    id,user_id,game_id,type,version,ip,identifiers,rev enue_type,revenue_currency,revenue_amount,created_ at
    That's it, just the headers. So looking at the headers - user_id IP address, other identifiers, without any actual data it's difficult to say what that last one is but IP address and user_id is definitely uniquely identifying.

    Pretty sure I've played a number of the games that were listed in the last year though, Civ for sure. My firewall is port blocked by default, but I'd be surprised if they weren't calling back over port 80.
    Last edited by MartyG; 20-06-2018 at 08:33 PM.

  9. #389
    @MartyG Interesting. Does look like it is tracking your spend in the game. I assume the created_at is this so called 'origin point' that Zenimax referenced in their apology.

  10. #390
    It's on! Time to go through the wishlist.

    Seems Valve haven't turned enough servers on again.
    Last edited by MartyG; 21-06-2018 at 05:19 PM.

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