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    Course claims you can learn web development in 5 months

    LOL I just looked at the thread title and it looks like a spambot at work.I typed a long post but lost it so I retyped the bare bones...

    I've been nervously wondering whether to make this post but I've always gotten good advice here and most of the members are nice.

    I came across this a few weeks back:

    https://hackernoon.com/learn-to-code-in-2018-get-hired-and-have-fun-along-the-way-b338247eed6a


    This chap Andrei Neagoie has offered the links for free above but also charges for his course on Udemie:



    I noticed one negative review from Zhixi Chen: If you think you can be a guru by simply take this class, think again. Any topics of this class takes months and years before you fully master it. However, if you'd like to start your career as a web developer, you come to the right place. This might be the best choice. Give it a shot. It's up to you.

    Three further links on coding:

    https://medium.freecodecamp.org/a-cautionary-tale-of-learning-to-code-my-own-eddb24d9d5a7

    https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/learn-...ithout-stress/

    https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-signs-that-you-arent-cut-out-to-be-a-developer/


    A bit of background: I've been doing dead end jobs for a while. The only IT roles I did was some marketing and research for less than a year and a year also doing Change admin with some support work for a huge outsourcing firm I don't want to name. For over a decade my health has suffered and someonje suggested I look into the civil service or NNHS as every few years I get ill for a few months and they have good policies for illness at least according to this mentor of mine. I've got huge gaps in my employment history I could easily cover up but I prefer honesty. I haven't tried programming since ZX Spectrum days and a few weeks at college but I used to hate it. I saw one of the posts in the coding forum on here and it was saying programming is not that hard, but I see plenty of opinions online and from old friends who found it very very hard.

    The thing is I royally screwed up my degree a few years back because they capped all my grades due to late submission. I'm still kicking myself for that. So can you guys give me some advice. I'm now 40 and sick of wasted years. I also had to care for a sick parent for a few years after my ****ty degree. Please advise. Would an alternative be to get into helpdesk role and do some kind of paid certifiications? Time is running out for me I even considered a masters degree that gave good vocational experience but I'm certain my crappy grade at degree level prevents that although I have some related experience to the course.



    edit- Someone I spoke to said learn the above and freelance, another person said learn the language Swift or go into Android app development.

    Please advise me peeps and be nice, please.
    Last edited by monel; 24-04-2018, 18:52.

    #2
    I don't know nothing bout nothing but I'd say learn how to make apps. Its quick(er) to learn, lucrative, easier to find independent jobs for and, if you strike upon the right idea to wrap your code around, potentiality very profitable.

    Once you've got that aspect up and running and bringing in some money then you can choose to diversify into something a little more specialist/lucrative and parlay that into a full time role or contracting whilst keeping the app coding on the side, like a good bottom bish!

    Forget all the degrees and the past, there is only one moment and that is called now. The nows that have been we call yesterday and the ones that are to come are based on what you do with the now in front of you, go for it. I believe in you.

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      #3
      You can learn syntax, but syntax is a small part of coding and that's something that changes all the time as development environments and various libraries go in and out of fashion.

      The job is actually problem solving, understanding requirements and implementing them in an efficient way which requires a certain way of thinking, that you only get through experience; the syntax is just a means to an end.

      Certainly no harm in exploring training, but I'd be wary of anything claiming it can make you a programmer in a few weeks and the fact you hated it raises red flags to me - I've been doing the job for over twenty years because I enjoy the challenge but I still have to study in order to keep my skills current.
      Last edited by MartyG; 24-04-2018, 23:04.

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        #4
        What is this syntax of which you speak [MENTION=42]MartyG[/MENTION] and how would one go about learning it? I know jack about programming but the certain way of thinking and problem solving aspect is just my game!

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            #6
            edx.com has all manner of courses you can do for free, including Java and Android App development. An Android Developers License was US$25 when I paid for mine, not sure what it is at these days. Also Unity is free and has an Android APK exporter.

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              #7
              I've been working in web development for over 15 years.

              It's not an easy option. To be good at it, you always need to be looking to improve and learn new things. I've never found the coding itself especially difficult, but some people do.

              There's a bit of an alarm bell ringing for me in that you said you tried programming in the past and hated it.

              Before investing any money, find a few free online beginners tutorials, and give them a go, see how you feel about it now.

              At the start, the language isn't even that important, the initial principals you need to get your head around are very similar in most languages. Try doing some programming, any programming, and if you find you're enjoying it and it isn't blowing your mind, you can then choose something you want to focus on.

              Javascript, as the tutorial focusses on, is certainly not a bad option to learn. Although their claim that PHP is "outdated" is a little ridiculous.

              Mobile apps is a very crowded market. It takes huge financial backing or/(and?) a lot of luck to launch a successful app these days. That's not to say you couldn't eventually get a job working on mobile apps, if it's an area that interested you.

              You're not going to become a "guru" in 5 months, but then you don't need to be a guru to get a junior developer role somewhere. You're then earning money and you can begin to get experience to work your way up.
              Last edited by ZipZap; 25-04-2018, 02:16.

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                #8
                I have been aiming at getting into programming/app design myself for a while now and would like some advice. Have never studied it formally (wanted to do Compsci at university, was rejected, did a degree in an unrelated subject I didn’t enjoy), but can’t get on with it the stuff I’ve tried since, found it impossible to learn from a book, and paid for an online guide which turned out to be a scam, absolute bollocks and unhelpful. So I’m stuck for ideas now, ideally I’d need instruction, but I can’t afford the time or money to do a proper course on the subject, which is really frustrating. Any ideas?

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                  #9
                  [MENTION=11673]shinobi7000[/MENTION] what's your motivation here?

                  Is it that you want to learn coding or that you think coding is something you could do that will make you lots of money?

                  Either way, I think continuing employment is the way forward and looking into coding in your free time.

                  Genuinely sorry about how rubbish everything seems for you at the minute, sifu.
                  Hopefully 2018 will be the year things turn around and let's see if we can help do this.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View Post
                    I have been aiming at getting into programming/app design myself for a while now and would like some advice. Have never studied it formally (wanted to do Compsci at university, was rejected, did a degree in an unrelated subject I didn’t enjoy), but can’t get on with it the stuff I’ve tried since, found it impossible to learn from a book, and paid for an online guide which turned out to be a scam, absolute bollocks and unhelpful. So I’m stuck for ideas now, ideally I’d need instruction, but I can’t afford the time or money to do a proper course on the subject, which is really frustrating. Any ideas?
                    When you say you found it impossible to learn from a book, was that because you didn't understand it, or the it's just not the way you learn things?

                    If it was the former, I would say start really simple. You're not going to be a master coder overnight. I've had friends who have wanted to learn app development or game development from nothing, and the learning curve is huge. It's like showing up at a race-track when you couldn't drive a hatchback to the shops. Find some absolute beginners tutorial online, start with their basic examples, change them a bit and see what happens. Set yourself simple challenges, but don't get too complicated at the start. The language doesn't matter too much initially, you need to get to grips with the basics of programming.

                    If it's the later and it's the issue of money, are there any "Hack Spaces" or similar community organisations, near where you live? My friend is involved with one and (from memory!) their weekly code club is free (which I think it connected to funding they receive) and if you want to use the facilities outside that, it's only something like £20pm. Much cheaper than a uni course. You may not get quite the same depth, but it might give you the foundation to go and learn more for yourself.

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                      #11
                      Join an open source project and learn as you go. You'll have defined objectives and can learn from and work with other Devs.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ZipZap View Post
                        When you say you found it impossible to learn from a book, was that because you didn't understand it, or the it's just not the way you learn things?
                        I just don't understand it. The books I've looked at obviously assume prior experience. I probably need taught instruction as a start, because the books I've looked at might as well be in another (actual) language.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Brad View Post
                          Join an open source project and learn as you go. You'll have defined objectives and can learn from and work with other Devs.
                          Can you explain what an "open source project" is? I haven't studied computer science or programming before, so I really don't know the terminology or what that would entail.

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                            #14
                            Umm, this might sound harsh but perhaps you should learn more about computers and terminology before you attempt to learn programming.

                            Buy some crappy old computer and try doing your own Linux install for example.

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                              #15
                              I'm very well-versed in using computers. Programming, however, I am not, and I am open to admit so.

                              edit: sorry if that sounded a bit rough. Edited.
                              Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 25-04-2018, 17:03.

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