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    This will be the EU today:

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      May is heading back to Brussels to attempt to reopen the withdrawal agreement she said she'd never reopen as she begins to go back on her Irish Backstop that she said she'd never go back on

      Barneir, Juncker and Tusk are almost hourly at this rate all constantly reconfirming that the deal and the backstop aren't up for further discussion

      And after voting for an alternative arrangement to the backstop, the Brexit Secretary has already admitted the Tories don't actually have one to discuss with the EU.

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        Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
        And after voting for an alternative arrangement to the backstop, the Brexit Secretary has already admitted the Tories don't actually have one to discuss with the EU.
        Yeah, this was painfully obvious yesterday. They were voting on something they don't know and that also they probably couldn't get even if they knew what it was.

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          Corbyn is taking May's lead by meeting with her today to demand a bunch of things he'd never get and wasting another day. It's okay, only 58 to go

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            Ahahahahahahahhahahaha. Best comedy I’ve seen in years. Who wrote it? Just genius stuff.

            Wait, this is the comedy thread right?

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              This so should have been separated from politics. Get civil servants to be do it, because their jobs won't be lost if it all goes wrong.

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                Some bloke who promoted Brexit hard and has a huge hedge fund to take advantage of the falling of the pound after Brexit has become an EU citizen. Nice for him. My selfish mum didn't apply for Irish citizenship early enough and I don't have £650k hanging around.

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                  European council president: Britain needs a concrete plan that parliament can support Follow the latest political developments - live updates


                  Theresa May has spoken with Donald Tusk to say that an alternative to the backstop is required. Tusk essentially told her 'that's your problem'



                  Meanwhile May is trying to get support for her deal in the next vote by offering what is pretty much bribery

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                    Jeremy Hunt has suggested the government may soon be ready to blink and request Article 50 be delayed



                    And a reminder that the EU has fires elsewhere as Italy has slipped into recession with the Italian PM levying a chunk of the blame on the EU

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                      Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
                      And a reminder that the EU has fires elsewhere as Italy has slipped into recession with the Italian PM levying a chunk of the blame on the EU
                      Totally the EU's fault when Italian governments for the past 10 years couldn't last longer than six months.

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                        It'll be interesting to see how they handle the situation, the EU shouldn't be the saviour of every member in all their troubles but at the same time they do have a ropey track record at fostering good will when a countries citizens feel down and out which can lead to issues later.

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                          Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
                          the EU shouldn't be the saviour of every member in all their troubles
                          Yes because Italy, like the UK, does actually have sovereignty. But then maybe Italy, like the UK, likes to point fingers elsewhere for its own troubles, I don't know.

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                            Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
                            It'll be interesting to see how they handle the situation, the EU shouldn't be the saviour of every member in all their troubles but at the same time they do have a ropey track record at fostering good will when a countries citizens feel down and out which can lead to issues later.
                            We've talked, before, though, about how the EU is really bad at their own publicity.

                            Like the EU's laws on wastage were why mobile phones all use the same (or a very small number) of charging standards now, instead of every manufacturer (and sometimes each model) phone having a different charger. That affects so many people, and is a genuine, small way that the EU has improved people's quality of life.

                            Most people do not know this.

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                              Originally posted by Asura View Post
                              We've talked, before, though, about how the EU is really bad at their own publicity.

                              Like the EU's laws on wastage were why mobile phones all use the same (or a very small number) of charging standards now, instead of every manufacturer (and sometimes each model) phone having a different charger. That affects so many people, and is a genuine, small way that the EU has improved people's quality of life.

                              Most people do not know this.
                              Yes... this could be true BUT, as we likely talked about during the referendum, it's like putting responsibility on immigrants to prove why they aren't everything the Daily Mail makes them out to be. If people are uninformed or misinformed or xenophobic or flat-out idiots, the fault doesn't lie with those they are misinformed about. The problem is not the target or the victim. It is not their responsibility to do better and everything will be okay. That is precisely that pointing fingers elsewhere thing when the responsibility lies at home.

                              And again, as we definitely did discuss during the referendum, all that information is there. It has always been there.

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                                The trouble for the EU is that whether it's an overall good thing for member nations or not it doesn't communicate that well enough to the public who's only real relationship with it comes from them being a faceless body and from the media.

                                With Italy's struggles making it more critical of the EU, Greece doesn't have a great relationship either, discontent due to their fence sitting in Spain with the Catalonia issue, the inability to easily promote the benefits of staying during the referendum (more a government issue admittedly but allowing that one sided debate helped lead to Brexit), Merkels job hangs by a thread in her own country due to her more EU mindset led decision making and alt-right parties gaining popularity in several member nations I'd agree the EU shouldn't have to defend itself but at the same time it really needs to start doing so as there's no way of looking at the issues growing in there and them being able to continue not getting more direct and hands on.

                                We really should cancel Brexit, but if somehow it is and we stay in there are still some very difficult conversations and decisions for the UK and the EU to have to avoid big issues in the coming years both here and in other EU countries.




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