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Isn't todays vote redundant as well? Even if MP's let No Deal happen they would likely want to apply for a short term extension in order for the UK and EU to more smoothly manage the exit. Granted or not, an application to extend A50 seems inevitable in every outcome and doesn't bring them any closer to selecting an outcome.
May has signalled that she will bring her deal to the commons for a third time within the week as she warns them to approve her deal or lose Brexit. Honestly, how the hell is she allowed to keep dismissing the outcomes...
Brussels have commented on the outcome of the No Deal vote from last night saying that the result was meaniningless and one senior EU official added it was like 'The Titanic voting for the Iceberg to get out the way'
One member of the ERG has said that if Meaningful Vote 3 occurs he can't see the ERG changing it's position.Comment
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Donald Tusk has said that if MP's submit for an extension of A50 he will lobby for it to be a long extension.Comment
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The thought of more months or even years of this...Comment
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Without the removal of May's red lines (because the backstop isn't going to be changed) that's all it'll be, just going around in circles.Originally posted by Dogg Thang View Post
But if you remove the red lines and enter into a customs union, you may as well remain in the EU given it'll mean taking rules without being able to influence them, the very position Brexiters claimed was one of the reasons for leaving.
Once again it's massively hypocritical of Theresa May to want yet another vote on her WA while at the same time claiming a second referendum would be undemocratic.
Charlatans the lot of them.Comment
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And as if you needed any more proof there is absolutely zero consensus, here's a list of amendments on today's motion
Which range from ruling out a second referendum, enforcing a second referendum, delaying for two months, delaying for two years, revoking article 50.
Not all are likely to be selected, but that's not really the point.Comment
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Can the EU outright pre-state their conditions for extending Article 50? Like, explicitly say 'we will only extend if you conduct a second referendum' thereby giving MP's a very simple decision, admit to ratifying the decision to leave with any deal they fancy or submit to No Deal?Comment
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Yes and I'd expect it likely there would be conditions.Comment
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In that case they'd be daft not to make it a necessity. They hold all the cards, don't want No Deal, don't want Brexit and can't trust any position British MP's take at this point. Forcing a GE is no good on anyone's part as it either forces everyone to go back to square one or forces an agreement no-one is happy with and when you remember that this deal is only supposed to kick start years more of negotiations why would the EU want to engage with that under the current situation?
If a second referendum tabled a deal and Leave still won then it would show that the public still wanted that outcome and had some sort of public backing for that direction. If anything the fear to table that option shows MP's expect it would fail - ergo the ideal outcome the EU wants. They'd be mad not to attempt to set the UK on a course to cancel Brexit because that outcome would support their efforts to fend off growing right wing unrest in other EU countries no end.Comment
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Seems crazy to suggest you can hold a GE, changing your mind on who you want in government, or that your MPs can run the same vote after vote but you can't have a new Brexit referendum on whether you still want Brexit or even what kind of Brexit you want, which was conveniently left out the first time around.Comment
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It appears that May is formally moving forward with a third meaningful vote on her deal aiming for it to take place next Tuesday. An amendment is currently being tabled to attempt to block her from doing so and the Speaker of the House is also currently considering whether to impose a ban on her bringing her deal to the house a third time. If the vote occurs and she loses it again we will be right where we are now with just 10 days remaining.
Meanwhile, Labour will once again not support an amendment in favour of a second referendum which will further divide the party and frankly shows how much s--- Corbyn is full of.Comment
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There are going to be four amendments on the motion
1) Sarah Wollaston’s - calling for an extension to article 50 to allow for time for a referendum on Brexit.
2) Hilary Benn’s - saying next Wednesday should be set aside for a debate that would start the process of allowing MPs to hold indicative votes on Brexit alternatives. There is also an amendment to this amendment, from Labour’s Lucy Powell, changing the timing.
3) Labour’s - saying article 50 should be extended to allow time for MPs to find a majority for a different approach to Brexit.
4) Chris Bryant’s - saying Theresa May should not be allowed to put her deal to the Commons again.
So the last one if passed might put an end to May's drivelling nonsense.Comment
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Edit - beaten!
First one won't get through, second one may, third probably will but that fourth one desperately needs toLast edited by Neon Ignition; 14-03-2019, 11:33.Comment
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Calling it now, they'll fail us as always and the May Block amendment will failComment
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