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    He's leveraged the support of hard brexiteers in order to get into power but the trouble is he's spent far too much time listening to them. He dreams of a scenario where he forces the hardest of Brexit's thereby delivering what his predecessor couldn't, that implodes the threat of the Brexit Party and he emerges as some sort of steel willed national saviour. That's because that's how those around him now see things but the trouble is Brexit is only as good as it's deadline.

    Even if we leave on 31 October, Brexit will be years away from done and he's setting himself up to be one of the shortest running PM's in the countries history because he's completely losing sight of the fact that only a slim number of voters supported leaving the EU under such harsh terms. Literally anything negative that comes from No Deal will rest solely on his shoulders and will arm opposing parties with all the ammunition they need to dethrone the Tories. Not only that but even those within his party who also seek the top seat would be able to point blame for negative effects on him and sell themselves as the next saviour who will put out the many fires created. It's short termism and it's playing with a thousand dangers that he and the Tories have absolutely zero mandate from the public for, the idea that they won't pay a price for it if they meet the 31 Oct deadline is insane and shows just how far up their own backsides the Tories have gone.

    There's definitely going to be an implosion of voters after all this. The two current party system is dead. The public have no real fire for anyone and the exhaustion after Brexit is done will have killed off the embers. The Tories will have made themselves villains for generations, the Brexit Party will cease to exist overnight, the SNP holds little sway and if they achieve independence then they'll be too busy watching Scotland look like the Hinderberg by comparison to how the rest of the UK copes, the Lib Dems will once again crash as they'll quite likely be blamed for being responsible for blocking any real chance Remainers ever had of stopping No Deal, the Greens are beyond irrelevant to begin with and Labour will frozen in a void until someone comes along to completely and utterly remove any memory of Corbyn and to slap the party across its indecisive, naval gazing face and wake it up to the Evil Dead apocalypse setting it's sat by and allowed to develop.

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      Johnson is doing his hard man act, claiming he'll be tough on crime and tell the EU to stuff it.

      He doesn't ever have to back it up, though, just carry on belching hot air.

      You are right about the state of British politics, though.
      The problem is that if feels like MPs are primarily looking after themselves and jostling for promotions, then the party - whatever it takes to take/retain power and country seems a distant last, if at all.

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        Latest voting intentions from Britain Elects: https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...08955339120641

        CON: 42% (+17)
        LAB: 28% (-6)
        LDEM: 15% (-)
        BREX: 5% (-5)
        GRN: 3% (-)
        TIG/CHUK: 1% (-)
        UKIP: 0% (-4)

        via
        @KantarTNS
        , 15 - 19 Aug
        Chgs. w/ 13 May

        Website hasn't been updated yet, so I'm not sure whether that's an individual poll (or source) or if it's the latest combined result. Either way, it shows that Johnson isn't going to change course, it'd give him a majority of around 190 MPs.

        Okay, it's a single source as noted on the linked Tweet from Kantar (not a poll source I'm familiar with).

        From a slightly earlier YouGov poll, the lead isn't quite as large.

        CON: 30% (-1)
        LAB: 21% (-1)
        LDEM: 20% (-1)
        BREX: 14% (-)
        GRN: 8% (+1)

        via [MENTION=5343]YouGo[/MENTION]v
        , 13 - 14 Aug
        Chgs. w/ 06 Aug
        Last edited by MartyG; 21-08-2019, 11:55.

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          Does that mean the Tories would make it in via first past the post? Or a coalition of other parties would defeat them?

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            From the YouGov poll, yes It would likely mean that the Conservatives would increase their majority to about 40 seats.

            It's not an exact translation due to the way the FPTP system works, but the electoral calculus puts it around there.

            The polls in 2017 were, for the most part, giving the conservatives a considerable lead too.


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            Survation and Kantar (the one listed above) were actually the closest to the final result.
            Last edited by MartyG; 21-08-2019, 12:43.

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              Originally posted by QualityChimp View Post

              Try asking the citizens of Dundee, where he was MP for 14 years, if he practiced what he preached. He apparently only set foot in the city four times.

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                Originally posted by CMcK View Post
                Try asking the citizens of Dundee, where he was MP for 14 years, if he practiced what he preached. He apparently only set foot in the city four times.
                I'm not saying I'm a fan of Churchill, I'm just saying MPs have strayed pretty far from what their priorities should be.

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                  Originally posted by QualityChimp View Post
                  MPs have strayed pretty far from what their priorities should be.
                  That’s spot on. But does the average voter even realise that their MP/MSP/MEP serves them not the voter serving the government?

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                    I suspect not!

                    Hence why this website was set up:
                    Making it easy to keep an eye on the UK’s parliaments. Discover who represents you, how they’ve voted and what they’ve said in debates.

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                      Around 70 days till Brexit and Merkel calls Johnson's bluff in the face of his many comments of late - she's given him a 30 day deadline to avoid No Deal

                      It's a nice move because it effectively means Johnson will find it much harder to shift the blame for No Deal onto the EU, it also creates an immediate deadline for the other political parties who are all still standing around comparing the sizes of their junk. Either they get their act together and block Johnson now or they commit themselves wholly to facilitating his plan.



                      Corbyn will be holding another cross party meeting next week to try and pull together his national unity approach

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                        She hasn’t given him 30 days. Click bait.

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                          Given there isn't a technology solution available currently and one won't be invented in the next thirty days, it's a vacuous notion anyway.

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                            Brexiteer Tories kick Johnson in the shins to remind him the Irish Backstop isn't the only reason the Withdrawal Agreement keeps failing.



                            101 is Coming...

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                              Was looking for jobs just north of the border in ireland and saw this https://www.indeed.co.uk/viewjob?cmp...2f68dceb&vjs=3

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                                Brexit is a winner for job creation.

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