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What's The Worst Video Game Console You Own Or Have Owned?
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Can I say a PAL Saturn? Got one on the cheap from Cash Converters as they were fading into obscurity and was very underwhelmed by the console I’d lusted over in magazines and secretly wanted instead of the PlayStation I’d bought.
Got a Jp grey one a few years later and f*ck me, what a difference.
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Originally posted by Tetsuo View PostIn 2019 those tired clichés no longer hold water - things have long since moved on.
Originally posted by Tetsuo View PostClever folks have even managed to work out how to disable the system's anti-aliasing,
Originally posted by Tetsuo View Postand with a SteelStick64 mod
Originally posted by samanosuke View PostGot a Jp grey one a few years later and f*ck me, what a difference.
Yeah, a JP Saturn using RGB has a really nice image. Plus there are loads of excellent JP games to still enjoy.
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Ok, I come in peace, don't get angry at what I'm about to write. I never owned certain consoles. I'm grateful for that - eg the Amstrad and Commodore efforts, the CDI, Jaguar, maybe the 3DO. Although it introduced me to gaming and computing, and isn't a console, I vote the Spectrum. I never had the rubber keys model but used that too. It had some very good games but due to it's success it was inundated with trash. I've mentioned before here that all 8bit comps often had publishers use Amiga screenshots on the box - how was that legal?
I suppose the Spectrum was never meant for games but that tinny, crappy speaker still comes to mind, and the colour clash. I purchased games like a young idiot while it seemed half the country was copying compilation tapes full of games. And with the tape loading, I had a very nice datacorder but if you even sneezed the games would haveten not load. I love and hate the spectrum - the graphics were less blocky than C64 and Amstrad but as a whole it sucked. When I later saw a C64 the sound effects and music were unbelievable compared to the beep beep of the Speccy. I still have respect for the Spectrum, but wish I'd done my research and bought something better.
Runner up for me is the NES. I liked maybe 3 games on it otherwise it's crap to me. Only Nintendo machine I liked was the Super Fami / SNES, actually the N64 is mostly terrible. PC Engine was NES on steroids and crack. Amazing machine but it seems an evolution of the Famicom.
Looking back, 90 percent of Amiga and ST games were crap, too. Especially once the 16 bit consoles came out to compare to.Last edited by monel; 05-12-2019, 20:44.
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Originally posted by Tetsuo View PostOn the contrary, the Virtual Console is among the worst ways to play N64 games. If graphical fidelity is your chief concern, then RGB via an upscaler, on an original NTSC machine, is the starting baseline. For the connoisseur, an HDMI mod.
In 2019 those tired clichés no longer hold water - things have long since moved on. Clever folks have even managed to work out how to disable the system's anti-aliasing, and there's a slew of control pad options on the homebrew market. My 1997 Nintendo 64 looks glorious via Framemeister, and with a SteelStick64 mod (admittedly these are expensive and hard to come by) I have a dream-worthy re-imagined controller too.Last edited by Escape-To-88; 06-12-2019, 00:00.3DS FC (updated 2015): 0447-8108-3129
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Yeah, the 360 is the only system that I gave up on due to a hardware issue. Having a PS3 at the same time, it just felt like buying games on the 360 wasn't worth the risk. I was hit with the RRoD on the day I got GTAIV and never trusted the console after that. And sure enough, years later, the PS3 is still hooked up to the TV (if almost never turned on because it now sounds like a jet engine) and the 360 is dead.
Which is a shame because, actually, I really bonded with that system. Dead Rising blew me away when I got it and I loved the Gears of War games. I have been tempted to pick up a cheap later model but just never got around to it.
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Originally posted by shinobi7000 View PostO When I later saw a C64 the sound effects and music were unbelievable compared to the beep beep of the Speccy. I still have respect for the Spectrum, but wish I'd done my research and bought something better.
I think a lot of Spectrum owners would have been envious of how the C64 could run fast arcade style games --and how great the SID chip was. But despite that, lots of Spectrum owners have fond memories of its best games.
Originally posted by shinobi7000 View PostRunner up for me is the NES. I liked maybe 3 games on it otherwise it's crap to me.
Originally posted by shinobi7000 View PostLooking back, 90 percent of Amiga and ST games were crap, too. Especially once the 16 bit consoles came out to compare to.
During the 80s and 90s, there really was a lot of rubbish games, but that's because there was a big divide between the talented and inept devs. These days, the games biz is far more professional in all areas, so even dodgy games aren't complete rubbish.
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostYeah, the 360 is the only system that I gave up on due to a hardware issue. Having a PS3 at the same time, it just felt like buying games on the 360 wasn't worth the risk. I was hit with the RRoD on the day I got GTAIV and never trusted the console after that.
I really like the 360 -- it still impresses me how capable the hardware was, and how devs managed to get games running smoother than on the PS3.
I bought(some guy had the French version new and boxed and cheap on Ebay) one of these for my collection -- the last 360 model with a 500GB HDD and Forza Horizon 2. FH2 was made by SUMO and looks quite impressive. I just keep it in storage.Last edited by Leon Retro; 06-12-2019, 11:48.
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Originally posted by Tetsuo View PostOn the contrary, the Virtual Console is among the worst ways to play N64 games. If graphical fidelity is your chief concern, then RGB via an upscaler, on an original NTSC machine, is the starting baseline. For the connoisseur, an HDMI mod
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Originally posted by Dogg Thang View PostYeah, the 360 is the only system that I gave up on due to a hardware issue.
Conversely I had 2 360s, and neither of them died before I got rid of them, but I recognise that I was probably lucky. Generally I've always been fortunate with consoles and had very few faulty ones.
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Originally posted by S3M View PostI've got a NTSC RGB modded unit and even via upscaler that doesn't look as clean as a the Wii U ouput, smoothing off those rough edges.
Look closely at games like F-Zero X and Star Fox 64, and you'll see how messy/gritty the graphics look. Running them on a basic CRT hides the roughness to some degree, because of the machine's blurry image and lo-res, but then you have the vaseline-O-vision problem.
There really is no way to make N64 games look beautiful but retain a feeling of authenticity. No, you just have to accept that N64 games, even with de-blur and upscaling, are very rough looking. The only game that can look quite nice is Mario 64.
Of course, some people like to add all sort of image processing to old games, in an attempt to make them look modern and shiny. I personally don't like that option; I prefer to make the most of any given console in a way that still gives an authentic look.
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Originally posted by Asura View PostMaybe not "gave up on", but the worst system for me, for that, was the Dreamcast. I've at various times owned 3 faulty units.
My launch PS3(the fat boy) blew up after a couple of years. The slim model has been going strong for 9 years.
It's why I don't like to buy launch period consoles, because manufacturers always redesign things and fix the problems reported with the first gen model.
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Upscalers and HDMI mods won’t do much for an n64’s image quality. Putting a deblur mod on the console and hooking it up to to a decent pro crt, will make the 240p image shine, whilst still keeping authenticity. You really need phosphors, not pixels for the n64.
Last edited by dvdx2; 06-12-2019, 15:01.
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Originally posted by Leon Retro View PostI think the C64 was over £250 in the mid '80s, so the Spectrum being far cheaper made it attractive. Luckily, it did get loads of good games, despite also getting loads of rubbish. It was the same with all 8-bit computers.Lie with passion and be forever damned...
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