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    #16
    I read the topic title as "Neo Geo owners, are they worth it?" like a Kilroy special or something

    In answer to your question? No

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      #17
      Originally posted by Ex_mosquito
      At the end of the day if you want to play games go the MVS route, and If you're a collector (BAH!) and wanna pay 10094476 times more just a pretty box go AES.
      This kind of somes it up really, although I think there is no right or wrong answer. If a millionaire bought a Rembrant for ?20 million, is he a fool because he could have bought a print of the same painting for ?1,000?

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        #18
        Due to the kinda guy I am...I think the MVS is the wrong route to go down. I hear the AES hardware is pure sex-in-a-console, which hasn't aged at all.

        Aren't the MVS's a complete pain to get hold of (a decent one, anyhow) whereas the AES is like, plug and play?

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          #19
          Originally posted by Electric Boogaloo
          Due to the kinda guy I am...I think the MVS is the wrong route to go down. I hear the AES hardware is pure sex-in-a-console, which hasn't aged at all.

          Aren't the MVS's a complete pain to get hold of (a decent one, anyhow) whereas the AES is like, plug and play?
          MVS boards can be found pretty easily, I got mine on eBay for ?36 plus ?10 courier delivery and its in really good condition. My Supergun only cost me about ?40 in parts(or you can buy one premade) and a stick was about ?30.
          If you only want to play neo games don't bother getting a supergun and mvs board separately, get a consolized 2 slot pcb as seen here:



          I went supergun/mvs board but at some point I'm gonna sell my set up and consolize a 2 slot

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            #20
            Stay away from t3h Neo ports. Jesus. Buy a Supergun if you really want to play the games. MotW, KoF'98, KoF'99 when emulated on my PC run 10x better than the DC versions.

            MVS = Excellent games, Cheaper, presentation is not as sexy.
            AES = Excellent games, Expensive, presentation is pure sex, drug-like.

            That's all I can say to sum up the already mentioned.

            All these classics can be found for less than ?30 on AES:

            Samurai Shodown
            Samurai Shodown 2
            Fatal Fury Special
            Art of Fighting 2
            Fatal Fury: Real Bout
            King of Fighters '94
            King of Fighters '95
            Super Sidekicks 2

            Those are the titles you need to start off your collection. You'll probably never need to buy another cart again - however, you know that they're there, and they're ready and waiting for when you have the cash. 8)

            And yes, the more expensive games are worth it. I hardly tend to ever step across the ?100 mark when buying a game, however, even if they're not worth it - they can be sold on for next to no loss at all. I did that with KoF'02.

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              #21
              Originally posted by DavidFallows
              Stay away from t3h Neo ports. Jesus. Buy a Supergun if you really want to play the games. MotW, KoF'98, KoF'99 when emulated on my PC run 10x better than the DC versions.
              Gotta reiterate this. I played LB2 and the KOF games on the DC and Saturn and felt nothing, Garou was pretty good on DC, then I played them on Kawa-x for the Xbox, it was brilliant!!! Thats what made me get an MVS set up which is even better, nothing compares to playing Neo games on the original hardware, be it MVS or AES

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                #22
                No hassle emulation for me. Playing on a cabinet with good sticks would be a far higher priority for me than the packaging.

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                  #23
                  I have a lot of thoughts on AES ownership in part two of my Chaos Reigns article, due up next week. There's no right or wrong here, just opinions.

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                    #24
                    Yeah, your article is making me think more about getting one

                    Roll on payday!

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                      #25
                      Right, found it. Hope this is of use:

                      - Price range

                      Between ?170 and ?200, dependant on condition and whether it's boxed or not. As the joystick comes with the system, remember to ask about its condition as well as the machine.

                      - Where to start games wise

                      Some of the best, low-priced games are Samurai Spirits 2, Magician Lord, Baseball Stars 2 etc. Tell me a preferred genre and I can be more specific. Probably the most essential title for under ?100 is either King of Fighters 98 or Samurai Spirits 3.

                      Over that, Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Metal Slug Series, Pulstar and Blazing Star etc. are the daddies, but frighteningly expensive. Start on the cheaper games - many of them are just as good as the really expensive ones.

                      - Region lock out and censorship issues

                      There is no region lock-out. Early speculation over KoF 2002 suggested a feature would be implemented, but it turned out to be a ruse. All games will work on all versions of the console. However, the game always defaults to the region the machine is from, i.e. play a US game on a JPN console, and the text will be in Japanese.

                      This isn't normally a problem, as you can normally change text to English, but censorship is an issue: US and PAL consoles remove the 'blood and bouncy' from the games. This name comes about from the fact that Mai's boobs bounce in Japanese copies of KoF, and nowhere else (bizzare censorship! She doesn't get 'em out, they just jiggle a bit. Well....a lot ), and the blood is removed or changed to a white colour.

                      - Any potholes that need avoiding

                      As above, getting a US or PAL machine will censor the games automatically unless you have a debug BIOS chip installed (basically, a chip that allows you to change settings such as region, as well as access number of credits, DIP switches and even things like switching the standard from two player turn-taking to co-operative). In SVC Chaos, the debug chip allows you access to all the hidden boss characters in the game from the select screen, without having to enter codes.

                      Also, it's prudent to avoid getting a PAL machine, as some are easy to mod into 60hz, whereas others are a nightmare. Mine is PAL, and was a mere wire snip, whereas other board revisions need you to alter the timing crystal >_<

                      Some boards on various regions of the machine also have poor RGB output. If you can, ask the seller the serial number and compare it against this chart here:



                      I'd advise you get a Japanese machine first if possible, US after that (if you do get US, buy a debug chip. They're only about $15 from Neostore.com, and relatively easy to fit).

                      There's loads more I can tell you, but digest that for now and ask me any follow-ups you need.


                      QUOTE (brian @ Nov 26 2003, 06:48 PM)
                      I heard of a convertor that lets you play mvs carts on an aes. Does such a thing exist. I noticed that this would be quite handy with game such as mark of the wolves as the mvs versions a lot cheaper.
                      Also, instead of buying an aes would buying an mvs jamma thingy not be a good alternative, you can mod them to work on tvs cant you? are there alot of disadvantages to doing this?
                      Sorry for stealing your thread


                      A convertor does exist, yes. A high initial outlay (I think they are somewhere between ?100-?200, but it's been at least a year since I last looked). They are called Phantom convertors and are basically bridge adaptors. There used to be reliability issues, but I think this may be fixed:


                      QUOTE ("neo-geo.com's glossary")
                      The main thing the Phantom1 has which most of you know by now is the ability to play the Newer MVS carts that have heavy encryption coding on them that the older type converters were not able to play those games.



                      From this, I'd say the P-1 sounds like a good purchase. It all depends on what you want. MVS carts have little-to-no value in terms of collectability and don't come with proper boxes or inserts (you get cab inlays and marquee presentation displays. Pic below).



                      Here is a pic of the forthcoming Metal Slug 5 kit. Also bear in mind that MVS kits (as they are called) are as expensive as, if not more than, AES releases when they first come out. If you want a title on release, expect to pay the same as an AES owner, but for the value to plummet soon after. You're better off waiting a year to 18 months for the value to drop if you are MVS collecting.

                      Another thing to bear in mind is that some later games are only available on JAMMA format and not MVS standard, meaning that they won't play on an AES through a convertor. This is rare, however. My knowledge is patchy over this, but I know SvC Chaos was originally JAMMA only, but they are releasing an MVS version now anyway.

                      So, on the plus side, the games are much cheaper and all are available (some MVS releases such as Captain Tomaday and the first Shock Troopers never got an AES release).

                      As for an MVS compatible setup, something like a Supergun would be needed, unless you are knowledgable enough to build your own. These give RGB to your TV for an extra outlay of about ?20. If you build your own, you'll need to source the parts, build a stick and test the output to ensure the signal works on your telly. You need a JAMMA board, an MVS slot, a sound amp and a PC power supply. Then a case to put it in. And some home-built joysticks.

                      A Supergun costs about ?200, iirc. You have the added benefit of having a JAMMA loom, which is basically a set of wires that allow you to connect normal arcade PCBs to the thing as well. They are ugly as ****, but do a damn good job. Get one from here:

                      tvi.co.uk is your first and best source for all of the information you’re looking for. From general topics to more of what you would expect to find here, tvi.co.uk has it all. We hope you find what you are searching for!


                      In summary:

                      CONVERTOR: expensive (have to buy the console, then a convertor), and the games have little value to collectors, but are cheap and all Neo Geo games can be bought. Also, you can choose to buy AES games too.

                      SUPERGUN: Plays all Neo MVS games and also JAMMA boards (so you can get arcade games as well), but is butt ugly and very obtrusive, plus extra joystcks can be a hassle unless you know what you are doing.

                      AES: cheap(ish) to buy, but games can be horrifically expensive. Games harder to get as well, although far more collectable and likely to increase in value in many cases.

                      It's all down to what you want out of the games. Look at the plus and minus points, and decide which is right for you. I can elaborate on all the different types of options, if you need more info or links, etc. And, tbh, I'm always happier talking about the games themselves than the hardware

                      QUOTE (Jim Miles @ Nov 27 2003, 06:22 PM)
                      I have a Jap Neo Geo AES, and haven't been able to buy any games yet, so haven't really needed to test it. I know I'll need a stepdown converter though. Is there any other power supply that works? I heard the Megadrive one but I checked it and believe it is the wrong voltage and ampage.

                      So what power lead do I need to play a Jap Neo Geo AES over here? And what video lead is advised?

                      Thanks people!


                      "People"? What do you mean, "people"?! I'm the only one answering these questions. Bow to me!

                      *ahem*

                      Anyway, you need a 9v, 1.2a PSU. Telegames do one for about ?14-?15, as do places like ARD Electronics. As I'm so nice, I even found the product code for you:

                      300-00120

                      VGI do excellent RGB leads with a 3.5mm jack for full stereo:



                      Made by my excellent technician friend, Saurian. Look under the hardware section for Neo Geo hardware, as above. As you have a Jpn AES, it'll be full RGB out of the box. I know ?30 for a PSU and an RGB lead is a lot of cash, but they're both really worth it.

                      Any more questions, just ask ^^

                      QUOTE (Gozaimas)
                      Just to add my confimation to everything Treble has said. If only all forum posts were as knowledgeable, accurate and complete.



                      Good to know my hours spent trawling the net for Neo info when I could have been looking for porn weren?t totally wasted

                      I had forgotten about that Silver Shadow monster ? what a glorious beast that is. Just shows that you can get an attractive MVS machine, if you look in the right places.

                      Nice cab setup and, by crimminy, you got some good AES deals in the past. Jammy git

                      I?ve done a new article on SvC and Neo ownership in general that takes an inside look into the mind of the AES obsessive, warts-and-all. It also contains a really good interview that anyone vaguely interested in all things Neo should check out. It?ll be up on NTSC-uk pretty soon, so I?ll post a link when it is.

                      I agree with your points from a distanced perspective, but no-one can say one route is any better than the other, tbh. It's all about what you want out of the experience - yes, shock boxes and inserts you get off the net are all well and good, but they don't compensate in terms of collecting. They are all home made bits of gear, and aren't of interest to 'proper' collectors.

                      As me, you and Gozaimas have said, AES games can be really expensive, but it really does depend on what you want. You could get a lot of cheap AES games, spending under ?80 for each (and around ?30 for many) and get a superb collection. I got my Viewpoint for around ?100, and it now goes for around ?170-180. Playing well in the market often means getting serious collector's items that increase in value, and this shouldn't be underestimated.

                      Metal Slug is a bit of a cruel example
                      You'd struggle to find another game that commands such high prices, and we're only talking 4-5 games that'll cost more than the usual ?200-?250, like Neo Turfmasters, Ninja Masters and the European version of Kizuna Encounter.

                      As Gozaimas says, you have to be careful not to become addicted - it sounds stupid, but it's entirely possible. If you keep a level head, there are a lot of bargains to be had.

                      If you are the kind of person who wants Sega Direct Border Down, De La Jet Set Radio, mint-with-spine Radiant Silvergun etc.; generally, the best and most unusual/rare version of a game you can find, you'll probably sway towards the AES.

                      If you just want to play the games but still in their original arcade incarnations, definitely plump from some sort of MVS machine. Looking at the options, Superguns seem like a cracking idea, especially as you can fit a JAMMA loom and get playing classic arcade PCBs as well.
                      Some of that won't make sense, as it contains answers to questions and replies, and links and pics are missing too. The full thread can be found here.

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                        #26
                        My Samurai Shodown II (Euro) just turned up this morning. It's in better condition than my last one.

                        Real do's.

                        I brought my Neo into work to give it a try but my scart cable still hasn't turned up yet, those Royal Mail sluts! Get it together!

                        EDIT: heh, I am t3h DON!!1 clicky

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                          #27
                          I honestly would rather be without all my other consoles than without my AES at the moment. I my AES and it's a common disease i'm afraid. I started with a NGCD because "Paying hundreds for a game is sdupid" but I got sick of the loading times and didn't fancy an untidy Supergun set-up. Started out with cheap carts and saved for my favourites. I do enjoy the saving up aspect (like being a kid again) and boy do you get your moneys worth with a snap-lock!
                          It's a difficult console to start with if you don't know the games though so if you do plan to start out in the fast lane so to speak, get teh romz to try before you buy.
                          I'm still all for the MVS route though. AES is a waste of money, (but a good one, like alcohol or drugs or summat) Playing the games is what it's all about at the end of the day.

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                            #28
                            Are Neo Geo owners worth it? Nah I would take them back to the shop and get a Megadrive owner or something. :P

                            Still if the original question was

                            Are Neo Geos worth it, question for the owners then I would say so.

                            MVS is nice and good for playing some of the newer games for but a lot of the older titles for AES can be bought very cheaply. ^_^

                            Most AES games will hold their price very well, so if you do decide to sell them then you are unlikely to loose out, although some of the more expensive cartridges can be a bit tricky to sell on... ^_^;

                            At the end of the day its all about collectability, bunch of MVS games wouldn't impress a collector, bunch of AES games (even really old ones) would probably impress them more. ^_^

                            (For the record I have about 14 AES games, not paid more then ?60 for any of them. ^_^)

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                              #29
                              i recetnly received my consolized mvs system and its sweet, cost me ?200 for the unit with all leads and 2 sticks (one old style, one new style), so a similar outlay to the AES to start with, however i got the following games as well

                              Garou: MOTW
                              Robo Army
                              Last Blade 2 (in shockbox with reprinted cover and mini marquee)
                              Blazing Star
                              Samurai Shodown 2
                              Aerofighters 2

                              and i have paid ?120 for all 6, if one of the AES owners would like to price that lot up on AES id be grateful, to show the difference in price for what is essentially the same game, AES is really only for collectors and those anal about box and artwork, its up to the individual i suppose but MVS certainly makes financial sense

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                                #30
                                Hmmm. I can see where you're coming from, but to my mind, the boxes and artwork are an important part of the Neo experience, as sad as that sounds. There are various books full of SNK posters, adverts and cover artwork, some of which are really lush. Personal favourites include the artwork to Pulstar, Blazing Star and the original Fatal Fury.

                                It's hard to put into words, but I can give a personal example from my AES collecting. Although I have collected AES games for some time, I now have every single Neo game pre MS4 on my X-Box via emulation. However, I continue to buy the originals. It's difficult to justify this to other people, but the atrwork etc has a big part to play in this. I know that's not rational, but there you go. Perhaps I'm anal after all

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