Difference between the Consolised MVS and the AES?

[Samurai Matt]

Hi, Its been bugging me for a while now, why are a AES games so much more expesnive than MVS games? Is it jsut because of the lack of box/nice coverart?

Also, I looked on ebay for MVS system, it seems alot of them have 2/4 cartidge slots Whats up with that? Is the any particulr reason? mabye I'm stupid, but I honestly cant think of any advantages of having 2 cartitdge slots... apart from not having to take out and replace the games (Which i presume isent the reason since that would be a rather pointless way of making the console more expensive.

Also, was the MVS actually like, mass produced? I think I heard somewere that it there all homemade or something? (talking about the consiled verision oviuslly, not the stand up cab)

[eastyy]

From what i can gather

The games are basically the same for the aes and the mvs its just the slot type thats the difference so you cannot play mvs on aes or vice a versa (though i think there are adaptors)

The bios tells the game how it should start you can get a unibios for the mvs systems so you can start games as if they were the home versions and you can select languages

Some mvs games like rage of the dragons and matrimelee i have heard has problems with some one slot boards so thats why i got a two slot.

Think your right aes games are more expensive because of there cases and manuals.

Mvs game though can be expensive if you get complete sets with marquees boxed and with manuals though.

As far as i have seen consolised systems are home made mostly though i think some places do it as a business like with www.neotropolis.net for example

[Dandy_sephy]

re: slots

You have to remember that the MVS was meant for arcades, and so having multiple carts in one machine means there is no need to change games physically. Also, more games in one cab= more people playing that cab.

Also, there are different versions of some boards, with differing features. For example some boards have joypad connections, others have mem card readers.


Prices:
Mvs carts are originally quite expensive I belive($1000+), but as they are meant for the arcade market, the value drops quickly because they become more common once arcades start changing games. While the AES games have a cheaper retail price at new, the value stays higher because of the convineance and yes, because of the packaging. A legit (ie not a conversion) metal Slug for AES costs well over 10x the MVS version - although thats a special case

Consolised Neo geo's have the bext mix of convinience , pricing for games and reliabilty, but the initial outlay is huge compared to the price of a cheap AES or MVS mobo. (MVS mobo + connectors +psu + casing +labour=???)

[Baseley09]

LOL those are some pretty idiot common sense questions man, but if you honestly don't know then fair do's.

Like above says, the key for the revolutinary MVS (forgive if crapchoice was previous) was that arcade vendors had to spend less money....no machine moving, just change carts, and relitively low production charges.

Despite the technical standpoint, MVS & AES (NGH) worlds are far apart.

How you experience Neo Geo is up to you, if anyone ever tells you otherwise, just call them a James Blunt listener.

[Escape-To-88]

I've made a few consolized units in my time (last one went to Seany, and he's loving it!).
I'm sure someone may have answered this but I'm far too lazy to look over the last handful of posts.
MVS runs MVS (Multi Video System - Arcade Carts - Typical Price: Metal Slug ?25-40).
AES runs AES (Advanced Entertainment System - Home Carts - Typical Price: Metal Slug ?700-1500).
BUT...
AES carts usually have more features eg: King Of The Fighters AES cart had the option of single play and too set round lengths etc. but are vastly more expensive, but then a nice man from Finland named 'Razoola' came up with the solution - A Bios (Unibios) that allows you to run MVS carts (on your MVS board) and select region, AES/MVS, cheat databse and many other features...everyone rejoyced..the end!

A consolized system works just like a supergun, the wiring comes directly form the board and is encased in a nice painted shell, it runs using small laptop style PSU and plugs into the TV with RGB SCART (other connections are avail.).
So with a consolized MVS system and Unibios you basically have an AES/MVS system in one without the need to pay for 3-figure AES carts.

The other option is buy an AES home system and a 'Phantom Convertor' to run MVS carts, problem is the 'Phantom' is not the most reliable thing in the world and is expensive to buy. The AES can also use a UniBios but it must be soldered in, which is a pain in the arse!

Advantages of 2/4-slots over 1...well:

The 2/4 Slot consoles look a lot nicer, have a socketed bios, joystick ports onboard, 2-slot has a memory cars reader, load carts vertically and are easier to convert.

1 Slots can be a pain to make a case for, the vertical 1-slot MVS board has a soldered bios, the 1/2 size variety have no onboard joystick ports and generally don't look as nice, oh yeah and some have problems with Rage Of the Dragons and I believe a couple of other carts.

Hope that helps, not sure if it answers all questions, but I like a rant

[Super Monkey Balls]

Put simply, a decent consolized MVS will be more expensive than an AES but will save you big bucks in the long run (most carts ?10-50). Just make sure you get one with a unibios (language/blood selection and often full home options) and RGB and stereo output. 2-4 slots are an extravagance on a home unit, you're right, so unless you're lazy and rich a consolized 1 slot would suffice.

Your third option of course is a Supergun. Advantage there being it's probably cheaper than both and you can play other Jamma boards on it. Bear in mind MVS 1-Slots are Jamma but 2-4 slots are MVS wired so might not work on a 'Gun. But as you pointed out, how lazy is a multi-slot outside a cab
Just so happens I've got a bloody good Supergun on ebay ending tomorrow *cough*

[Big Seany]

I have had just about every bit of Neo kit going in the last year or so, and am now settling on the consolised (which ironically is how it all began!), and have a Supergun for PCBs and to run my gamebox. Here are my views on it all:

AES

Pros: Lovely boxes and aesthetically pleasing console
Home options and memory card compatibility
Elitist feeling from owning one
Console reasonably cheap

Cons: Games take up a lot of space and must be kept minty mint to have any chace of selling them on within the anal Neo Geo collecting fraternity
Games are often prohibitively expensive
RGB output can be hit and miss

MVS Consolised

Pros: Nice neat box under your telly
If it is done right, RGB and stereo output can be awesome (like mine)
Games are dirt cheap - expect to pay no more than ?50 for even the best titles
Easy to fit a Unibios and get AES style-options

Cons: Unit can be expensive to begin with
If something goes wrong then you need someone with arcade parts knowledge to sort it
Lots of bootleg carts out there so some knowledge required to avoid this (also applies when using supergun)


Supergun

pros: Play any JAMMA stuff, not just MVS, through your TV
A well wired 'Gun can accept any controller wired properly - for instance I use a modded DC stick, a modded PS2 Virtua Stick as well as my Neo controllers
Superguns are nice and cheap
You can still plug your MVS motherboard into an arcade cab when you get one of those

Cons: Loose PCBs and the bulky MVS board with a cart in can look a right mess
Pain in arse to store PCBs unless you have lots of space or understanding family
Some superguns are awful, make sure you can test it first as re-wiring can be expensive and long winded
Possible to blow everything up very easily if you don't know what you are doing

[vertigo]

Yeh not quite sure why you'd want a consolised MVS when you could just get a Super Gun instead, but anyway...
I have a Super Gun with a mini 1-slot MVS, which is just slightly bigger than the cartridge themselves so isn't bulky at all, disadvantage of the mini is mono sound but you can always mod it if you're up to that. No memory card slot either.
As far as I know too, the actual ROM on a MVS and NGH cart are the same. If you get a MVS with multi-bios you can choose to switch to home version and you'll get all the options of the home version. There may be a very few later carts for NGH that are home versions only and the MVS versions don't include home options, but the vast majority of them do.
I'd recommend a Super Gun with MVS, for price and convenience and the fact that you can play just about any other JAMMA-compatible standard resolution PCB on your TV with it and it'll almost definitely be RGB output as opposed to a consolised MVS which will probably be made with the US market in mind and have skanky S-Video output instead, but it's entirely up to you.

[Neo Si]

Ah, Consolized systems, my speciality....

A Consolized system and a Supergun really cater for two different markets imho. A Supergun is ideal for those people that want to play a bit of NeoGeo, the odd JAMMA PCB and a bit of, say, CPS2. It'll allow you the most flexibility with what you play.

A consolized NeoGeo (or any consolized system) is really for people who've decided that they want a NeoGeo, but don't want to pay a fortune for games.

The trouble with most of the 'consolized' systems out there, is that they're really not pretty. All the components are installed directly into the plastic/metal casing, leaving you with visible circuit boards and JAMMA connectors. With my consolized systems, I completely replace the metal/plastic casing with a nice custom-made casing that fully encloses the MoBo, and makes it look much more like a 'proper' console.

If you are interested, I invite you to check my website out at www.neostarsystems.com

I currently have 1 and 2 slot consolized NeoGeo systems available. Pictures of the Joysticks will be up tomorrow, and consolized CPS2 and toploading consolized PGM systems will be available within the next 3 - 4 weeks.

Cheers

[NeoClaret]

So your the guy behind those porn star looking consolized systems






One of the great unanswered questions which is the best way/set up for Neo

Home Cart only (with uni bios)
Home Cart with Phantom Best of both worlds....
Consolized MVS Board
MVS Board with a supergun
MVS Board 4 or 6 slot in a Cab
Neo CD

Gotta catch em all..................

[thegreathopper]

MVS Board 4 or 6 slot in a Candy Cab... the best way by a mile and a half.

One of the great unanswered questions which is the best way/set up for Neo

Home Cart only (with uni bios)
Home Cart with Phantom Best of both worlds....
Consolized MVS Board
MVS Board with a supergun
MVS Board 4 or 6 slot in a Cab
Neo CD

Gotta catch em all..................