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Malc
15-10-2007, 06:48 PM
I hopefully should be picking this up from play on 360.

Never played an MMORPG before but i'm eager to learn it. :)

I take it the 360 version of this runs well on console? As i'll be doing the one month free subscription that I get with the game and seeing if i like it enough to buy more time on it!

Anyone got any nice screens to impress or chitty chatter about what types of armour, weapons spells etc. that you can get? Also a rundown on how the games works: is it random battles with NPC's or is it only PvP fights?

Daragon
15-10-2007, 07:59 PM
The game runs great on my 360, looks the part too (well as well as it can for a 4 year old game at least).

Try xboxyde for screenshots (if it's still up and running), they always seem to be the best quality on there.

Battles are real time with monsters that appear throughout the game's areas.

Tsingtao
16-10-2007, 12:52 PM
The 360 version runs ok I find it faster on my PC but I play on both...

As for the game if you want a looka round take a look at the wiki, it has buckets of info http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Fights are varied, mobs are rendered and wander about the place, some are agressive others aren't. The first 10 levels are as a rule soled and the next 65 in general done in parties.

PvP does exist but is restricted to specified battlefields (Brenner & balista) so no being randomly creamed whilst out and about.

A new expansion is due November so would be an ideal time to start getting sed to things before the innevitable new influx of players when the expansion lands.

Malc
16-10-2007, 05:03 PM
The first 10 levels are as a rule soled and the next 65 in general done in parties.


Could you please explain what this means? I don't quite understand properly.

Also, can you use a mic' on the 360 version or is it keyboard only?

Tobal
16-10-2007, 05:36 PM
Basically the first 10 levels are spent in a solo adventure to get use to the job and how the game works, its also about the only point in the game where you can easily take on Even match mobs* and gain exp faster than you can in a party, once you hit lvl 10-15 it becomes harder to chain** mobs to for decent exp so you from this point on join 5 other people to form a balanced 6 man killing squad.

It's Keyboard only(as you'll be playing with Ps2/PC users and the entire world NA/EU/JP) but you can use the 360 guide chat like in another game but it's not worth it.


* monster can be checked and rated to your currenty level, so if you can solo them Weak -> easy prey -> Decent match -> Even Match -> Tough -> Very Tough -> Incrediable Tough. Variations of each come with Low def/eva, high def/eva, and theres "impossible to gauge" which are special mobs that drop rare items can could be any level(usually you check up a on website for it actual level)

** Fighting Even Match and above, killing quickly will result in extra exp usually up to a chain 5, so instead fo 200 exp you get 250-300.

angelx
16-10-2007, 05:52 PM
You can use a joypad and Bind most controls to that. I found that much more comfortable than using KB and mouse, jsut using a little KB to chat

Malc
16-10-2007, 06:00 PM
Is it quite easy to join up with some people once you reach the high enough level? I'd imagine myself randomly exploring lands and then geting killed in one by a monster I just happned to run into. :)

Tobal
16-10-2007, 07:27 PM
it can be quite random, you'll most likely find yourself LFG for long periods if you don't make your own parties or setup a static exp party. Main reason is the ffxi player base is quite old so sometimes you could be missing a key job like tank or support because half the player base has leveled them now. Plus Japanese player tend to only play with the japanese players base during JP prime so finding a party during 9am-5pm will suck outside of weekends.

Malc
16-10-2007, 09:26 PM
I could allways party up with any of you guys on here right? providing you're playing at the same time as I am. :)

Is it really not possible to go at it all on my own?

Sorry for all the questions, i'm very inquisitive.

Tobal
16-10-2007, 10:18 PM
not unless we have job to use with in your level bracket (ideally the party should never be more than 3 lvl difference between lowest and higest for exp), and at the moe rargh been pretty dead dj,tsing and i are mostly on our endgame Ls that tsing runs, but you occasional see moot, mosely, calabog and skeleton in rargh currently leveling jobs inthere 40-60's, so the likely hood of us being in exp inthe low levels is quite low unless we make the effort, i would mind level my rdm though , it still lvl1 lol. Rargh isn't what it use to be sadly.

You could solo on ep/dc mobs but it take ages.

djtickle
17-10-2007, 08:15 AM
Then again there is a job called Beastmaster what you lvl from 1-75 solo if you wanna take on the world by yourself :)

Tsingtao
17-10-2007, 08:20 AM
You may be in luck, I'm going to be on reduced playing hours but I have BRD 21 (Bard) and DRK 10 (Dark Knight) I need to level to 37 for sub jobs* for RDM (Red Mage). Hence I may spend a bit more time in social and out of end game for a little while.

Sub jobs are jobs you use to complement your main job. For example a Red Mage main job often uses WHM (White Mage) or BLM (Black Mage) to complement its abilities. The two I am levelling are for more limitted situational use. Your sub job is half the level of your main hence why I need only to level to 37. When you start you will not have a sub job, the ability to use one is unlocked by a quest at level 18.

Edit DJ is right, however Beastmaster is what is refered to as an Advanced job. When you start the game you will have access to the basic jobs:

Warrior (WAR)
Monk (MNK)
Thief (THF)
White Mage (WHM)
Black Mage (BLM)
Red mage (RDM)

Once you reach level 30 on one of these jobs you can start to unlock the advanced jobs (think there are 12). Unlocking each one requires the completion of a quest with quests varying in difficulty.

A word of warning FFXI is not a solo game in general, you will need to group with others and that is the core of the game.

angelx
17-10-2007, 09:30 AM
Parties are where the fun is! you can get some useless peeps but for the most part its great! I hate these threads, you make me want to play it again...

dataDave
17-10-2007, 11:15 AM
I could allways party up with any of you guys on here right? providing you're playing at the same time as I am. :)

Is it really not possible to go at it all on my own?

Sorry for all the questions, i'm very inquisitive.

There are plenty of lvl capped events that are required to complete if you want any kind of 'FF experience' from the game. Particularly the Chains of Promathia mission line (imo easily the best part of the game from a pure Final Fantasy perspective).

This basically means the introductory missions can only be completed by people lvl30 or under, so if you take a lvl44 character in with lvl40+ gear you will be reduced to lvl30 and have all your gear removed. It's not uncommon for people to keep sets of lvl30/40/60 gear for such events. On the other hand you can complete these sets of missions when you are at the exact level and then sell off all your gear after you're done (storage space will be an issue if you plan to play without using extra characters for storage).

dataDave
17-10-2007, 11:46 AM
Also, on the subject of subjobs it's important to realise they need levelling independently.

Whenever I had a friend start I'd recommend they level Warrior and Monk (or thief) neck to neck. Level warrior to lvl5 for example (3/4 hours) then the same for another melee role before jumping back on warrior for lvl10, then the other up to lvl10.

That way you can embark on the subjob quest at lvls 14-18 for both jobs... People can get really unlucky with this quest as you need three rare drops from enemies in a certain area, so it's best to try and aim for these items over eight lvl-ups rather than four.

That way as soon as you hit lvl18 you can unlock your subjob, apply it, and then decide how you want to spend the next 15lvls (given the choice of two 'main' jobs).

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I'll try putting it into perspective...

1) 360 Beta is released and n00b Fallows begins MMO addiction.
2) n00b Fallows takes the usual Final Fantasy stance and goes pure melee FTW (picks warrior)
3) n00b Fallows lvls up to lvl18 and unlocks the subjob... now lvl18 warrior / lvl1 Thief....
4) n00b Fallows has to go back and lvl Thief up to at least lvl9 unless I really want to look 't3h nab'. I start again as 1THF/1WAR, then lvl to 4THF/2WAR, 6THF/3WAR, 16THF/8WAR etc etc (18WAR/1THF won't get you parties, 18WAR/9THF will)
5) n00b Fallows gets to lvl15THF/7WAR then sacks it off... back to WAR18/THF9
6) n00b Fallows lvls up to 30WAR/15THF, then solos the Paladin advanced job quest at 5am like a true pro, all because healing yourself is good.
7) pro Fallows starts again as lvl 1PLD/1WAR.... The potential is there to take Paladin up to lvl60 without having to worry about topping up the warrior subjob.

5 months later the beta ends and I wasn't playing at the time to get my character transferred to a proper server... so I'm forced by nab S-E to start again.... Due to the lack of healers on the beta I decide to start as Whitemage...

I lvl up both WHM and BLM to lvl10 at the same time, I'm waiting for real life mates to catch me up so I spend two weeks farming and making dosh... they end up quitting so I decide to lvl both jobs up to 37 at the same time before deciding which one to take further... I end up with both at lvl60, and the choice of being able to fit two caster roles in a party depending on what's required (usually leads to faster party formation/invites)

I hope that makes sense.

dataDave
17-10-2007, 02:14 PM
I'd also recommend rolling either a tanking job (Warrior, then Ninja or Paladin) or a healing job (both Red Mage and White Mage, complemented by Summoner subjob for bigger mana pool) as both those party roles were in massive demand last time I played lvls20-60, that's going back six months though now.

After WoW my days of trying out damage dealing classes are over. Finding parties is a grind in itself...

Tsingtao
17-10-2007, 02:35 PM
I'd recommend finding a job you enjoy and playing it, playing a high demand job is great but FFXI is a long haul. You don't want 3 years of playing something you hate. Never choose a job based on demand.

Parties for any job aren't that bad, you just form them yourself. I've levelled every job into party levels now bar a few and all are easy enough to level.

Mind you if you just want 75 as fast as possible go bard, huge invite rate no expensive gear and pretty dull in end game.

Malc
17-10-2007, 04:35 PM
What are the graphics like on the 360 version, and how smooth does it run? I don't want to be playing a choppy mess for ages...

Untill I get the game, I will not fully understand what you're all talking about, but i get the jist of it. It was either Final fantasy or Fantasy Star universe, but I weren't keen on that when i played the beta, so I'll probably get this.

Malc
17-10-2007, 04:36 PM
sorry for the double post...

Can you lose XP in this, and go down levels if you die or play really badly?

Daragon
17-10-2007, 06:17 PM
Yes and yes :(

Exp loss really isn't too big a deal these days however, as the amount you gain back for recieving a basic level raise spell has been increased quite a bit, so it's not as much an issue in a party or group anymore as any mage job worth it's salt can cast raise 1 with the correct sub job.

It can be a bit of a pain if you die while soloing tho. Having to return to your home point from death costs you a fair bit.

Malc
17-10-2007, 06:41 PM
Do you think it's worth buying it? or is it not really that great anymore. - I take it you all still play it?

Daragon
17-10-2007, 11:29 PM
Most of us have taken a bit of a break from it of late due to other games, but we'll all be back properly (hopefully) when the new expansion comes out next month.

Tobal
18-10-2007, 12:00 AM
well your pretty much find me, dj and tsing on everyday, the others have gone part time :)

Anyway if you join soon, there will be new jobs to level from the WoG expansion so there should be a new wave of low end levelers, plus there are other europeans out there and americans. Have go and if you don't like cancel the account, but it be hard work somtimes unlike most of WoW even though the game has got easier for newer people, but it pays of when start getting places.

Also one thing most people forget, ffxi has a brilliant story and i think is better than any of main series stories, alot of thought as gone into the lore and history. Some of the stuff they only revealed 2 months ago links into stuff they started 4/5 years ago and the linking of the Main story lines when you reach key parts of Rank Missions, Zilart/dynamis, CoP and Toau is brilliant and won't be found in other mmorpgs(i think one of my fav bits is founding how Tavnazian got the way it was). And to pad the history - town quests and Artifact Armour quest help fill in gaps.

dataDave
18-10-2007, 09:48 AM
Yeah, the story is great and extremely faithful to the franchise, moreso than 7 and 9 (my FF favourites) imo.

Speaking of losing levels and artifact armours... I went from lvl 56 to lvl 53 for the Blackmage set and lvl 58-56 for the Whitemage set.

Technically the game is sound. Reach Aht Urghan and it turns into an inexcusable lagfest with people (and mobs) popping up all over the place. Perhaps things will improve if the expansion features a fresh hub area.

Daragon
18-10-2007, 04:45 PM
Yeah, the story is great and extremely faithful to the franchise, moreso than 7 and 9 (my FF favourites) imo.

Speaking of losing levels and artifact armours... I went from lvl 56 to lvl 53 for the Blackmage set and lvl 58-56 for the Whitemage set.

Technically the game is sound. Reach Aht Urghan and it turns into an inexcusable lagfest with people (and mobs) popping up all over the place. Perhaps things will improve if the expansion features a fresh hub area.

Apparently it will, but all that will do is transfer the lag from aht Urhgan to the new central hub. SE need a proper fix, not a rug to sweep the problem under.

C'
18-10-2007, 04:54 PM
Don’t know if it’s still the case but I found the 3 most recent times I’ve logged in Aht Urghan has been quite manageable as there seems to be a population split between people in Whitegate and The Pit. Not that 3 occasions is a massive sample of course.

Malc
18-10-2007, 05:00 PM
Is there normally loads of people on the servers? Enough to fill up alot of room and ask around to join partys and stuff.?

Daragon
18-10-2007, 05:32 PM
I think it peaks at around 3500 or so (on seraph at least), so usually there's enough to party up with, although it does depend on your job too. Some are invited faster than others.

djtickle
18-10-2007, 07:40 PM
Yeah the aht urgan areas are alright now they have opened the pit. Only abit of lag pretty much what u used to get when stood at the auction house at lower jeuno. (i am on 16mb)

I love this game to bits, as long as your pretty social person and have your psp or summit handy at your side when lookin for group and nowt else to do u will be fine.

As you get higher lvl much more things open up for you to do rather than just look for group :)

Malc
18-10-2007, 10:54 PM
Cheers for everyone's help so far! :)

I just thought that I love playing games at night, late in the morning... well this game would be perfect as you don't have to speak, just type. I could get one of those little keyboard things that plug underneath the controller to use. Put on my headphones, and i'm set for the night! :thumb:

For now though it'll have to be oblivion.

Daragon
18-10-2007, 11:02 PM
That little controller add-on doesn't work with games for some reason, you'd need a USB keyboard.

C'
18-10-2007, 11:04 PM
Doesn't it also lack a Tab key which would rule out the use of the auto-translator?

Shame really as I was thinking of grabbing one for the rare occasion I play the 360 version.

Daragon
18-10-2007, 11:12 PM
Meh, if that was the worst it did I wouldn't mind. I could use the controller for the very rare occasions I actually bother with the auto translator lol

djtickle
19-10-2007, 08:12 AM
No way that controller addon doesnt work for games?! thats ****! I was gonna buy one too.

dataDave
19-10-2007, 08:53 AM
****, if you like playing into the morning expect to be up until 7/8am quite regularly. Japanese people tend to start logging on at midnight-2 (8am+ for them) so that's when the parties warm up, when I mean warm up I mean actually being some use and not taking 3 hours to get a level in. Ideal if you have no job/work until late.

Although you do sometimes get the elitist japanese pricks who think they're god...
"[English][Party][No thanks]^ ^"

They just make me want to go to war with Japan.

Malc
19-10-2007, 12:14 PM
I have just seen the new expansion pack trailer up on marketplace, and i'm even more hyped to get this now! :) After I get a break in the flow of games pouring out i'll definately pick this up.

But should I get the GOTY edition, and then the newest expansion coming out next month on marketplace? As I don't know how to get hold of any of the previous expansions other than the GOTY package. neither how to buy the newest release in November?

C'
19-10-2007, 12:19 PM
We’re talking 360 version here yes?

If so, all 360 versions include the main game and the 3 expansions released so far (Rise of the Zilart, Chains of Promathia and Treasures of Aht Urghan) as standard so it’s very easy.

The upcoming expansion (Wings of the Goddess) will need to be purchased separately.

PC wise it is slightly more complicated.

Malc
19-10-2007, 01:05 PM
Yes, I'm talking about the 360 version.

So is there any point me buying the GOTY edition, when I may aswell get the normal edition that was released way back when, if you said they all include the first 3 expansions?

Tobal
19-10-2007, 02:01 PM
The newer verison onthe 3pack(i have the original white box on 360) will need less patching than the 2007 edition or GOTY edition to bring it up to spec. Either way you looking at 3/4 hrs of downloading :)

angelx
19-10-2007, 02:08 PM
That little controller add-on doesn't work with games for some reason, you'd need a USB keyboard.

Major Oversight for sure:confused: Thank you for that info though.