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[wakka]

I think Wakka is too young to even know what you are talking about ��

I'm a whelp by the forum's standards Just about old enough to remember when you had to take your porno where you could find it though, rather than via the non stop high definition filth tap that is Bordersdown.co.uk certain parts of the internet.

[Atticus]

Serious point, and not aimed at anyone here, but it's a shame Basic Instinct is pretty much only remembered for Sharon Stone's Kenny Everett impression. It's such a great film. Like extreme Hitchcock.

[QualityChimp]

I probably need to see it again as it's been a long time since I did, but I remember that beyond *that* scene, the angry sex and cars starting immediately, I didn't like it all that much and I promised I didn't fast-forward the talking bits.

I thought something like Jagged Edge was a better thriller.

It's an interesting point, though, that the saucy content to attract viewers is also detracts from the thriller storyline.

There are some articles about Sharon Stone's career being haunted by her lady bits, but I'm not going to risk tarnishing my search engine history by looking for it, so do your own damn research.

[Dogg Thang]

I have rewatched Basic Instinct twice in the last year and I think it's superb. I went on a big 80s/90s erotic thriller binge and it really is the best of the bunch in my opinion.

[QualityChimp]

I have rewatched Basic Instinct twice in the last year and I think it's superb. I went on a big 80s/90s erotic thriller binge and it really is the best of the bunch in my opinion.

Sounds like it went up against some stiff competition.

[Dogg Thang]

I see what you did there. A lot of them are terrible but there were definitely a few good ones in there. I really enjoyed Body Heat. 9 1/2 Weeks is good too, although it's odd and has a kind of nighmarish vibe to it.

[wakka]

It's an interesting point, though, that the saucy content to attract viewers is also detracts from the thriller storyline.

I don't know if I'd agree that it does - it's what the film's most remembered for, but I don't think it takes away from the film's core. That over the top exploitation element is so much a part of how Verhoeven tells a story and gets his message across. I think if you went along with this idea, you'd have to go along with the idea that Robocop's violence detracts from its storyline of a man reclaiming his basic humanity in an inhumane world. Which would be a valid position, I think, but not one that I'd take.

To be honest though, it's ages since I've seen Basic Instinct so I need to revisit it.

Sounds like it went up against some stiff competition.

Dogg left himself wide open to that.

[Dogg Thang]

I don't know if I'd agree that it does - it's what the film's most remembered for, but I don't think it takes away from the film's core. That over the top exploitation element is so much a part of how Verhoeven tells a story and gets his message across. I think if you went along with this idea, you'd have to go along with the idea that Robocop's violence detracts from its storyline of a man reclaiming his basic humanity in an inhumane world. Which would be a valid position, I think, but not one that I'd take.

I also think it's core to Basic Instinct. It's not a thriller with sex scenes - the film is sexy throughout most of it. It's running right at the heart of the movie. And this is where I think some others really don't quite work. Out of some of the other films I watched during that binge, they are often just films with random sex scenes. Or they are desperately trying to be sexy and failing miserably. And the best of them aren't that. Body Heat is a hot movie all the way through. 9 1/2 Weeks - some of the sexiest scenes of that movie aren't even obviously sexy, there is just something kind of steamy about them.

Whereas others get thrown into the mix that I think are good films but not hot. Like Fatal Attraction, which is a great thriller but it's not aiming to be a sexy movie all that much.

Basic Instinct is a hot sexy thriller and the sex is very much part of its being.

[QualityChimp]

Dogg left himself wide open to that.

Why does he keep putting himself in these positions?

I don't know if I'd agree that it does - it's what the film's most remembered for, but I don't think it takes away from the film's core. That over the top exploitation element is so much a part of how Verhoeven tells a story and gets his message across. I think if you went along with this idea, you'd have to go along with the idea that Robocop's violence detracts from its storyline of a man reclaiming his basic humanity in an inhumane world. Which would be a valid position, I think, but not one that I'd take.

To be honest though, it's ages since I've seen Basic Instinct so I need to revisit it.

Hmmm... interesting.

If you asked what people remember about Basic Instinct 9/10 people will say *that* scene, but if you ask about Robocop, you'd get a mix of answers, but I suspect it'll be one of the many violent sequences, rather than Murphy removing his facemask to look upon his face in a reflection and wonder how much of his humanity remains.

I guess I need to watch BI again, but with adult eyes and with the knowledge that a flash of ladybits doesn't have to be the most memorable part of a film.

[QualityChimp]

I also think it's core to Basic Instinct. It's not a thriller with sex scenes - the film is sexy throughout most of it. It's running right at the heart of the movie.

Also a good observation.

It's interesting to see how blinded Douglas' character is by the horn.

He's romping around in nightclubs wearing a V-neck jumper, oblivious to the perilous situations he's letting himself be swept into.

[Dogg Thang]

He's not oblivious, I think. He knows the danger. But he's a very horny man and Sharon Stone's character plays him perfectly. She's in control for most of that movie and he just makes poor choices.

It's also interesting to compare Stone in Sliver, which is not a great movie but her performance is really good in it and she's an entirely different character. The power that she has in Basic Instinct is something she manages to portray really well.

[QualityChimp]

He thinks he's getting what he wants, but she knows what he wants and uses that to get what she wants!
I'm sure it's not spotless feminism at play, but it's definitely interesting to see the woman in control.

Something I found interesting during my recent watch of Gone Girl and the jostling of the leads to outdo each other and be in charge.

[QualityChimp]

Funnily enough, this review just appeared on my Twitter feed:

https://filmhounds.co.uk/2021/06/basic-instinct-dvd-review/

"While Trammell seems like a strong female character, openly sexual and intelligent, constantly one-upping the bumbling male detectives, this characterisation is shallow and, in the end, only plays into the male fantasy of such a woman, one that ultimately submits themselves to a man, in the bedroom as well as outside of it. In Basic Instinct, patriarchy and the male gaze remains the equilibrium, the balance which keeps the world turning. While female sexuality has always been something of a taboo in cinema and watching a woman use her sexuality to her gain is refreshing and at times, exciting, Verhoeven’s film still retains a male-focused view. Women are objectified and just because we’re shown a woman openly enjoying sex, it doesn’t make the portrayal a positive one.

But Stone’s performance is still one for the ages. Her dynamic and chemistry with Michael Douglas is undeniably erotic and magnetic. She is in total control in her scenes, drawing the viewer’s eye and all her lines are delivered with such sweet gratification and sensuality, it’s impossible not to fall under her spell. Her performance is bold and impressive and not because of the nudity, but because of how committed Stone is at all times, fully understanding Trammell’s motivations and character."

[prinnysquad]

First time I watched that UTTER FILTH, I was so blinded by the ragging and minge and promise of more ragging and moody lighting designed for ragging, that I paid zero attention to the story. I just spent the whole film desperate to wangle off a spaff.

[Dogg Thang]

Pure poetry. I love it. More!