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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by gIzzE View Post
    I wish they still made 32 and 37" plasmas.
    Man I wish Panny hadnt stopped with their 37 plasma, I bought the last 3 they made. PX70, PX80 and still using the X10. I remember rumours of a Fujitsu 37" LCD in the works which had me interested as some fujitsu plasmas were mind blowing in picture once calibrated. Even at ?3.k I was interested but they bloody pulled out of the U.K market

  2. #22
    I had a Fuji 58 series, basically a PHD8 with some really nice processing built in, great screens that would still impress today compared with 95% of screens available now.

  3. #23
    A couple of my mates managed to grab some of the last 58's and they piss over any LED and most plasmas made from the last couple of years. Fuji processing is immense.

  4. #24
    I only sold mine when I bought a Crystalio II processor, that bypassed all processing on the panel and then the PHD8 I had and the 58 series looked the same, so I sold the Fuji, but that was still worth ?1500 compared with the ?700 I would have got for the Panny.

    But to be fair, it took the Crystalio II to beat the processing and that was a ?4,000 video processor, so pretty good going for Fuji.

  5. #25
    Lyris, have you had a look at the Samsung es6300 LED series yet? Are these any cop and what is the panel like? Amazin reviews mention clouding and backlight bleed as a problem.
    I've been busy with projectors lately, but the ES6300 is the first review on the front page http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/

    It's like most LED LCD TVs: it's fine but the quality is no better than it was a few years ago.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyris View Post
    I've been busy with projectors lately, but the ES6300 is the first review on the front page http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/

    It's like most LED LCD TVs: it's fine but the quality is no better than it was a few years ago.
    Have you come across many, if any at all, led type tv's that dont suffer horrid clouding/backlight uniformity? The samsung i have(c530) is the best i've ever seen for this, but in the dark the uniformity shows that its not even at all, but the excellent(by lcd standards) blacks make it a non issue with even a little light in the room.

    I am looking for a potential bedroom replacement which eats less leccy, but doesnt look like pants in the dark....hell some led's i've seen looks pants in any enviroment.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyris View Post
    I've been busy with projectors lately, but the ES6300 is the first review on the front page http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/

    It's like most LED LCD TVs: it's fine but the quality is no better than it was a few years ago.
    Ah, cheers! Thanks for the feedback everyone.

    I may just go for it, I want a 32" as a sleeker replacement for the Sammy L26R41 that I've had for a while now. I'll just have to put up with the clouding. I've got an LED edge-lit Sony 40EX703 as my living room TV and I can't imagine it'll be much worse than that for this issue.

    PaTaito: I'd imagine the only ones where you wouldn't have the problem would be full LED backlit screens rather than edge-lit but I don't think there are many of those one the market.

  8. #28
    Have you come across many, if any at all, led type tv's that dont suffer horrid clouding/backlight uniformity?
    No. I've never seen one. The IPS ones are better from the clouding point of view but still have "jail bars" visible.

    I'm honestly not sold on LED local dimming backlighting either. On-axis it can work OK, but even slightly to the side (or at the edges of a bigger screen), the halo/glow just draws attention to LCD's black levels. Or put differently, it means you have a constant reference in dark scenes of what actual black is, so when you see the black the panel is actually generating when the lights aren't shut off, it's a reminder of how big the difference is.

    And since I'm on this forum, LED local dimming is useless for games when it adds input lag. So for gaming you might end up using the expensive backlit LED as a standard LCD TV!

  9. #29
    Well after having a 27 Lg lcd & most recently a 32 Sony edge lit led i have to say that i've been very disappointed with their pic quality & lag, so have had a look at a few low end Plasma's in my local currys. watching them side by side with an led they had running the same time it was so obvious that the plasma which was only 720p urinated on the led in terms of picture quality & movement. So are 720 plasma's really that good compared to a 1080 led/lcd?

  10. #30
    Lyris

    Sent you pp funds, your pms are full

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