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    #16
    Originally posted by Superman Falls View Post
    It's always felt like Clerks has become his safety net. Things get a bit dour career wise and another Clerks buys him a few more years. I didn't enjoy Clerks 2 much so not expecting this to be any good
    The original Clerks worked as it didn't rely on jokes about animal porn and anal sex to carry it. Smart funny observations about classic sci-fi and pop culture was where it shinned, the second was more like smith tying to make his version of gross out comedy.

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      #17
      Am I missing something with Clerks because I thought it was meh.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
        Am I missing something with Clerks because I thought it was meh.
        It came out in 1994, so it was something of an "important" movie. Hollywood had practically sewn up the movie industry in the 80s and it was difficult for an indie movie to get a look-in; Clerks was an early part of a wave of indie movies in the 90s (something I feel reached its apex with The Blair Witch Project) that pushed back against this trend and were successful despite their small-time origins.

        That being said, I didn't care to see the sequel and I'm unsure what the third one will be like.

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          #19
          Filmmaker Kevin Smith has confirmed that a third film in the “Clerks” series has picked up momentum again and is properly in the works. At last report two years ago, the project had stalled indefinitely and Smith has spoken at length about his script for the feature. This week, Smith took to Instagram to reveal […]


          Kevin Smith has confirmed that his next film will be Clerks 3 and that it won't be using the script that he's long had completed, he has now started a new one for the project.

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            #20
            Lionsgate has announced that they have acquired the worldwide distribution rights to Kevin Smith’s long-in-development third installment of his 1990s cult classic comedy “Clerks”. In addition, the project is currently in pre-production and is expected to finally start filming next month in New Jersey. Following a massive heart attack, the new film sees Randal enlist […]

            Lionsgate will distribute Clerks 3 and filming will start next month.

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              #21
              Are the later Viewaskewverse movies any good?

              The last one I saw was Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, which I thought was the weakest one, so I haven't seen any of them since.

              Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
              Am I missing something with Clerks because I thought it was meh.
              My understanding is that in ~2016-onwards where the equipment and sofrware to make a reasonable movie are within the reach of most people for <£2k (I mean some YouTubers have really good quality kit these days for not-very-much) it feels really underwhelming, but in 1994 it was a much bigger achievement to pull all that together.
              Last edited by Asura; 20-07-2021, 08:46.

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                #22
                I always felt that they were effectively a stroke of luck and nothing more. Smith did what you said and made a competent enough film at a time when only Hollywood could and was able to get it into enough viewers faces (always felt like it was mostly teenagers at the time though), leveraging a deep luck of who he made friends with too so could leverage that for appearances. His career retreat once Hollywood paid attention always felt inevitable because he's ultimately not skilled enough a filmmaker and his career has followed the expected bell curve of Clerks being the stroke of luck, the next few films the ones that rode the hype, the bubble bursting bigger budget titles, the retreat to oddball lower budget quirk titles and now the dying days of resting on past success.

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                  #23
                  I'm no Kevin Smith fanboy, but to say the guy was just lucky is pretty ridiculous to be honest. Writing, directing and funding an independent film, and having it actually be GOOD, is no mean feat - and that goes for whether you've got access to 4K iPhones and Final Cut Pro, or whether you're pulling it together in the 90s with worse, more expensive equipment and greater technical difficulty.

                  He came up with something that was original, that felt authentic, and that resonated with people. He networked and hustled to get it out there. And it worked. That deserves credit.

                  I can understand why you might come to the film today and wonder what all the fuss is about to some extent, because I think its reputation is kind of outsized thanks in part to the rabidity of View Askew's fanbase. And to be honest, I don't really like many of Smith's films. A lot of them aren't that great. But he pulled off some **** for sure with Clerks, and then he built a successful Hollywood career off the back of that. I admire it, personally.

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                    #24
                    Yeah, it's an awsome story that has been overtold by Kev himself. Clerks is great, and it started the first comic book style CINEMATIC UNIVERSE, with actual comics being canon also.

                    I love it personally, though Reboot wasn't that enjoyable and Yoga Hosers almost unwatchable.

                    The rest are worth a shot.

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                      #25
                      It's impressive but again comes down to the tale of that one film and timing. The fanbase it spawned carried the later films, Mallrats is forgettable pap very typical of the 90's early 2000's era, Dogma isn't anywhere near as clever as the fanbase makes it out to be, Chasing Amy is like one protracted eye roll and Strikes Back is simply bad, buoyed by the fan pleasing in contains and so no surprise Reboot couldn't recapture the trick.

                      Don't get me wrong, I appreciate as well that he's managed to leverage a career of that hit and I don't deny him that, it's an opportunity he's seized and done well with. But despite the humble beginnings the industry is littered with tat made by poor filmmakers who are able to turn a nice dime.

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                        #26
                        Yeah, the quality of Clerks compared what followed is night and day. I still kind of enjoy the silliness of Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob stuff, but attempts at anything more (Chasing Amy, Dogma) are pretty awful. But Clerks does seem to stand alone. Maybe he just had one great film in him like some authors only have one great book.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by wakka View Post
                          I can understand why you might come to the film today and wonder what all the fuss is about to some extent, because I think its reputation is kind of outsized thanks in part to the rabidity of View Askew's fanbase.
                          I'd honestly rather watch Clerks again than any of the recent glut of superhero films (Wonder Woman 1984 I'm looking at you in particular) - the dialogue in that film is very clever (well, mostly).

                          The most recent Kevin Smith film (the rehash of Jay and Silent Bob) I really didn't care for at all, but Clerks, Mallrats, Dogma, Chasing Amy (probably my fav of all of them - Black Rage!!), Clerks 2 even Zack and Miri Make a Porno are still a great watch.

                          I hope Clerks 3 can hold the same sway as the original, but it's difficult to bottle lightning.

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                            #28
                            Thanks for the link Marty, that's why I love Kevin Smith, he has my sense of humour. I fully accept it's not everyone's cup of cha.

                            I'm in your camp as well, I didn't love the Reboot (I really wanted to!)

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
                              It's impressive but again comes down to the tale of that one film and timing. The fanbase it spawned carried the later films, Mallrats is forgettable pap very typical of the 90's early 2000's era, Dogma isn't anywhere near as clever as the fanbase makes it out to be, Chasing Amy is like one protracted eye roll and Strikes Back is simply bad, buoyed by the fan pleasing in contains and so no surprise Reboot couldn't recapture the trick.
                              Yep, it's a fair point, and I wouldn't disagree with any of that really.

                              To see him returning to the well once again with Clerks does go to show how over reliant he's been on it, as well.

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                                #30
                                Trailer for a documentary on the original film

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