Europe III: April F-EU-Ls

[MartyG]

I doubt it would make any difference who headed the table, given the impossible promises made to the electorate. Someone has to hold the poisoned chalice.

[Asura]

How May has lasted this long is a bit of a mystery. All the early stuff she said or agreed to (whether feasible or not), she has gone back on. She demonstrates a total inability to achieve anything. But then I suspect part of this is that everyone knows a positive Brexit doesn't exist so they're happy for someone else to take the fall.

This is the core of it. When Cameron stepped down, hardly anyone stood up for the leadership role, because they knew it was going to be an absolute nightmare that no politician could emerge from unscathed. Instead, they all passed the buck, content instead to let someone else step up so they could throw **** at them from the sidelines for a year or two. They would heap on the criticism, but never too much - after all, they needed time to sharpen their knives for when that person inevitably stepped down/was pushed aside... But only after the immediate crisis was resolved; not before. Then they get to sweep in and play the hero, basking in the public's admiration of their reasonably competent performance because their 12-minute memory only recalls their predecessor's inability to row across a river of lava in a boat made of cardboard and using their hands as oars.

That's how people like Boris Johnson end up being Prime Minister.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/18/brexit-may-faces-angry-backlash-from-mps-over-proposals-for-transition-and-meaningful-vote-politics-live

May has said she's open to extending the transition window on Brexit, this would incur billions extra being paid to the EU in the meantime so is going down as well as you'd expect.

[Dogg Thang]

Yes but if you consider the progress made in just a couple of years, imagine how much better the deals could get adding an extra year to that.

[MartyG]

She won't have the backing from enough MPs for it.

[fishbowlhead]

I think it’s quite clear that no one is going to bother getting the job done whatsoever. So entirely new leadership in a clean sweep should be put in charge, with current MP’s having to earn their roles back over time, if they can’t pass the mustard through results then no role back.

The military can fill in the mean time until parliament can be put back together with an effective government and leadership with MP’s that are actually qualified.

[wakka]

Ah, rule by military junta. Nothing can go wrong with that.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/18/brexit-unpalatable-truths-for-dinner-at-eu-summit

The EU has postponed the final summit till December for agreeing a final Brexit Deal

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/18/commons-brexit-vote-andrea-leadsom-final-deal

and Leadsom has said the MP final vote will be a take it or leave it choice. This assumes there's a Take It option at all as unless something is agreed about the backstop there is no deal. Given May looks to have no choice but to give in to the EU backstop plan at the last minute and will therefore see MP's not agree with it .... thread title updated again

[charlesr]

"Brexit will make it easy to create new trade with the rest of the world on our own terms". Er.... Good luck with that. LOL.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/sadiq-khan-eu-labour-brexit

Sadiq Khan has said Labour will oppose whatever deal May is cooking with the EU right now. I feel like more and more updates end with the words No Deal

[MartyG]

Who thinks it's going well then?

[Dogg Thang]

Still a remarkably high percentage there saying you are right to leave.

[MartyG]

If you're over 50 or in a lower social grouping.

[Neon Ignition]

Yeah, it feels fairly consistent with pre-2016 thoughts were polls suggested Leave voting would be sizeable but not enough to win. It may be spot on but it may be off but like this:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/10/22/voting-intention-conservatives-41-labour-36-14-15-/

Where everyone hates the Tories yet they keep coming out ahead in polls over Labour, it feels like at the least any groundswell of ant-Leave movement is in name only and wouldn't actually translate to a significant shift in voting numbers based on all these polls. It's why it's so easy for politicians to continue fudging it, they don't feel confident to take a stand one way or another without annoying the larger majority. The Tories are genuinely the only party in a position to do anything about reversing Brexit and short of pulling a trigger against their temple and hoping the barrel is empty there's little to incentivise them to take that choice even if they don't fully believe in Brexit.

The whole exiting the EU design is stupid - It's ridiculous that any country can leave the EU and yet none of them or the EU as a whole ever bothered to properly plan for it to minimise the economical impact. The EU should be planning for any of the EU27 to leave at any time as some of them would be crippling if they left.

[Cassius_Smoke]

My theory on why Brexit is being handled badly is its the first time in decades we have asked Politicians to actually do something.

Normally you would vote in a party and they nudge the abacus a bit and shake a few hands and that's it.
Now they actually have to DO something!