Is any politician? There's one hell of a post-Brexit show waiting to happen from next April and it'll be interesting to see how this falls out once current MPs can't hide behind holding off any change until the deadline passes
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Originally posted by MartyG View PostIt was always a fantasy that the EU would compromise the very foundation of the four freedoms on which the EU was built.
This government needs to wake up and smell the coffee - the EU are not going to shift on this. They were never going to shift on this. This wasn't an unknown thing.
If May continues to cling on to the unworkable Chequers plan there isn't going to be a deal. That's the reality of the situation.
How many times does the EU need to repeat itself before this sinks in?
All this finger pointing at the EU is going to do bugger all and wasting time on sorting out the mess the Conservative created in the first place.
It's gross incompetence.Last edited by MartyG; 21-09-2018, 12:15.
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Here’s a crazy idea. Maybe everyone should of thought this through before hand and said to themselves, you know what, I don’t think parliament could/would, take responsibility and actually sort out a mess like this if it went through on the referendum.
Referendum votes leave.
Rats jump ship.
Ship starts to sink.
Crew can’t be bothered.
Let this be a lesson to everyone. Ah who am I kidding, people don’t learn.
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Originally posted by Superman Falls View PostFor once, it may be for the best for the UK to put all its eggs in one basket
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Labour will officially push for another General Election and failing that a second referendum will remain on the table of options for them to campaign for.
Am I missing something here, it seems like Corbyn is only rolling with this because he knows it's easy point scoring as they'll never be able to actively accomplish either but will also not take the blame for either option not happening either.
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Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including the Labour party conference in Liverpool and the publication of the latest set of no-deal Brexit planning papers
After Labours weekend decision making today is the fallout:
CBI, which represents large businesses, has commented on plans Labour has for large companies to be forced to give employees shares by saying the plans would kill business in the UK and drive employers abroad. It says the current situation in the UK means Labour needs to essentially wise up in its crack down efforts on businesses and start to work more with them or else risk driving investment away and UK share prices to fall.
Meanwhile John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor, has suggested that whilst Labour may have decided to more firmly commit to a second referendum, if that referendum happened, it wouldn't necessarily include an option to remain in the EU.
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Originally posted by Superman Falls View PostAm I missing something here, it seems like Corbyn is only rolling with this because he knows it's easy point scoring as they'll never be able to actively accomplish either but will also not take the blame for either option not happening either.
They've also had over 140 motions for their conference submitted on Brexit by local parties and unions, most of which call for the party to back another referendum, which is a record for any single issue.
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But yet he's waited all this time until it's feasibly too late to give in at all to it?
I'd be amazed if he even wants a General Election right now, more likely his ideal is that Brexit happens and he wins power after May has been toppled later next year. All the power, none of the blame. Though it's still hard to see Labour winning a GE as long as the SNP is in control
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Rolling coverage of the Labour conference in Liverpool, including the debate on Brexit and a second referendum
The Labour Shadow Brexit Secretary is today trying to backpedal yesterday's reports that Remain would not be an option in a second referendum. Labour are also increasingly preparing to vote down the final deal May returns with from Brussels.
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Rolling coverage of the Labour conference in Liverpool, including the debate on Brexit and a second referendum
Slightly awkward - Labour conference is going on and it's been outright said that remain is an option on the table for the party...
... but at the same time they've scrapped plans for a second Deputy Leader role partly due to not wanting to introduce a pro-remain leader into the current mix.
I hadn't heard about this idea of having two deputy roles with one being specifically for female post holders, I get the intention but it sounds like problematic token gesturing.
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