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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogg Thang View Post
    I think anyone positioning themselves as having a clear and proactive (and financially sensible) plan for after Brexit is probably a liar and shouldn't be trusted.
    So a bit like the entire farsicle s**t show then?

  2. #22
    I'm with dogg on the accountability. 90% of mps should be banged up for fraud. Lying swines.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    I'm with dogg on the accountability. 90% of mps should be banged up for fraud. Lying swines.
    So can I float an idea? Which might be horrific but still...

    It does almost feel like some kind of court system should exist. At the end of each parliament, the members of that parliament should have to be cross-examined on their activities and promises (and everything in their manifesto should have a "stakeholder", i.e. a person who puts their name on a given policy, pledge, advert or statement).

    It's not so much that they would be barred from politics if they don't achieve their aims, but they should be punished in this manner if the evidence suggests they either didn't try, or simply failed due to incompetence (as opposed to market forces, unforseen events, etc.).

    This should be a public process, so none of them get to hide behind a shrug and a "we don't know who put that on the side of the bus" - someone should be, by definition, responsible.

    This is no different to any other job. On any business project, stakeholders are seen as responsible for motions, features, pillars, departments and the rest of it, and at the end of a project, you have a post-mortem which will factor into people's appraisals. If someone was responsible for part of the project which failed, you examine it. You don't necessarily fire that person but you establish if it was due to incompetence or just a failing of the wider business.

    Now I can see part of the problem - how do you pick the jury. But putting that aside for the moment, I'm surprised a system like this doesn't exist in some form. Does any nation do this?

  4. #24
    Passing judgement is an easy one to delegate!


  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Asura View Post
    Now I can see part of the problem - how do you pick the jury?
    You have a countrywide referendum

  6. #26
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...st-century-fox

    Comcast isn't scared of Brexit investments. They've just slapped a wad totalling $22bn on the table to outbid Fox in an effort to buy Sky. Is just over 50% of Sky really worth a third of what Disney is paying for Fox?

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Asura View Post
    So can I float an idea? Which might be horrific but still...
    Totally. Not to punish them as such, but to promote them into actually trying in the first place.

    You can fail and learn stuff and get it right the next time (if you get re-elected).

  8. #28
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tion-proposals

    EU citizen rights issue is becoming unthreaded again whilst yesterday May effectively told the EU to blow their push for Northern Ireland to remain in the customs union, thereby widening the gap between it and the rest of the UK, our of their collective backsides.

    I may be wrong, but if Labour now plans to pressurise the Tories over the eventual deal with the EU, wouldn't that drive all this to make a no deal scenario more attractive to the Conservatives? They know a trade deal with the EU will happen in time in any scenario and a no deal pretty much removes Labours position as it takes the union talk off the table and leaves them with the stuff neither party seriously disagrees over?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by charlesr View Post
    You can fail and learn stuff and get it right the next time (if you get re-elected).
    There is a modern day political ploy around this; present an extreme idea, let the outrage come forth and fall back to the slightly less extreme plan which then seems moderate by comparison.

    It's a con.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by MartyG View Post
    There is a modern day political ploy around this; present an extreme idea, let the outrage come forth and fall back to the slightly less extreme plan which then seems moderate by comparison.

    It's a con.
    Same ploy as some lootbox controversies, Martino!

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