That "kiddie nonsense" is going to teach you the fundamentals of variables, loops and procedure, the stuff you seem to be struggling to grasp. This isn't the matrix
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Scratch is great!
I started looking at it with my son, but we wanted to make awesome things straight away rather than work our way up to it.
We have a Carol Vorderman book, but went straight into making Super Slime Brothers and Optimus Racing, both of which we need to finish!
It's worth looking at, PP, because if it's all easy stuff, you can move on to something else more complex.
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Protocol Penguin there's an app by Google called Grasshopper that teaches Javascript basics in a game like format. I came across it yesterday. It is kiddie-ish using the term you described but it's fun.
I have a bunch of questions to ask everyone in this thread ill try and post later. Thanks for all your replies.
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[MENTION=7878]replicashooter[/MENTION] do you have to be like that? It’s fear if sneering, condescending attitudes like that which put people like me off asking questions. OF COURSE I don’t understand programming, I’m a beginner and I’ve never formally studied it. I would take a proper formal course if I could. People aren’t born with computer programming knowledge intrinsic to the human mind, it has to be learnt...Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 26-04-2018, 16:39.
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I'm actually trying to win the coveted Twat Of The Week award but aside from that everything I said stands because you actually have the front to say things like:
Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View PostI just don't understand it. The books I've looked at obviously assume prior experience. I probably need taught instruction as a start, because the books I've looked at might as well be in another (actual) language.Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View PostI’m struggling to understand that after skimming it. Is there anything simpler, more suitable for beginners? As I’ve said before, I haven’t studied computer science at university.Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View PostNot interested in that kiddy nonsense. A decent free tutorial for the real stuff might help.
To extend your computer programming knowledge metaphor you're like a guy that speaks pidgin English as a 2nd language who goes around complaining that he can't compose Shakespeare and when someone hands him an "English for Dummies" guide he throws it at them and rants "Me no dummy, me Shakespeare" and as such remains up to his eyeballs in ignorance.
You won't learn a thing with that attitude and no one has to spoon feed you either so consider paying heed to what people have actually taken the time to share with the intent to help like this:
Originally posted by kryss View PostUmm, this might sound harsh but perhaps you should learn more about computers and terminology before you attempt to learn programming.
Buy some crappy old computer and try doing your own Linux install for example.
Originally posted by gunrock View Post@Protocol Penguin: kryss wasn't attacking you. You have been demonstrating an incredible lack of interest in the subject whilst professing that it is something you want to do. You don't need Brad to tell you what an Open Source Project is, if you were interested you'd have googled it and found out. The reason you probably haven't learnt how to program is because it's not that interesting to you - which is okay but you need to face up to it.
- Sent from my HarshReality via a strong pimp hand
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[MENTION=9865]Colin[/MENTION] are you going to let that unwarranted and unpleasant personal attack above stand? Completely misrepresenting what I’ve said – I had to restate I’m a beginner endlessly as I’m getting all kind of jargon thrown at me, a bit of understanding about that would help! That’s just reenforced my stereotypical impression that computer nerds are unhelpful and unpleasant...Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 26-04-2018, 17:55.
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So if anyone wants to help rather than act unpleasant, help me on this...
Python: this is a beginners language, am I correct? Is it used to make apps, websites, programs, or potentially everything? What is the same and what is different from, say, HTML?
Linux: some computer OS? What has it to do with learning programming as such?
Javascript: this is code that operates as part of websites? Is it related to or similar to HTML?Last edited by Protocol Penguin; 26-04-2018, 17:56.
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Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View Post[MENTION=9865]Colin[/MENTION] are you going to let that unwarranted and unpleasant personal attack above stand? Completely misrepresenting what I’ve said – I had to restate I’m a beginner endlessly as I’m getting all kind of jargon thrown at me, a bit of understanding about that would help! That’s just reenforced my stereotypical impression that computer nerds are unhelpful and unpleasant...
Like the noob biker who buys a 1000cc sportbike and then wonders why they've woken up in a hedge - sometimes it's much better just to start with something smaller.
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Linux is an operating system which span off Unix. Depending on how old you are, you can think of Linux as DOS. Later came the Graphical User Interface (GUI) and it started to look more like Windows.
HTML is the bare bones of a webpage, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) add a look to HTML.
JavaScript is the magic that makes things happen on a browser without interacting with the website server(s).
* JavaScript is good to use to dabble with programming as all you need is a text editor and a web browser *
Python is a language...and I've not used it so can't really comment.
This is how I have things in my head, this may or may not be the whole (if simplified) truth.
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Originally posted by Protocol Penguin View PostSo if anyone wants to help rather than act unpleasant, help me on this...
Python: this is a beginners language, am I correct? Is it used to make apps, websites, programs, or potentially everything? What is the same and what is different from, say, HTML?
Linux: some computer OS? What has it to do with learning programming as such?
Javascript: this is code that operates as part of websites? Is it related to or similar to HTML?
HTML isn't a programming language, it's for describing the content of a web page. It's how you tell the browser which bits of a page should be a paragraph, or a link, where an image should go etc.
Javascript is a programming language that (in very simple terms) allows you to change the HTML, so when someone clicks a button (for example), you can make some content appear, or disappear, or anything else. If a webpage changes, without a reloading the whole thing, it was probably Javascript that did it.
Linux is an OS, don't worry about it.
None of the above really matters yet, just do some programming, any programming.
I believe Python is good for beginners. I don't really know what you can do with it. Google probably does, but you don't need to worry about that yet. Python will be fine as an entry point. There isn't one magical programming language that will serve you forever, but once you know how to program, you can switch between languages fairly easily, so it doesn't matter. Stop worrying about languages. Do some programming. Everything will start to make more sense then.
The tutorial I showed you explains Python in a lot of detail. If you don't understand it after skimming through, read it more carefully. It's not going to get much simpler than that, and you won't get good overnight.
You don't need formal training, I learnt how to program when I was still at primary school using a few issues of this:
Maybe you should download an emulator and give it a goLast edited by ZipZap; 26-04-2018, 19:31.
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