Yeah that is what I have been seeing recently. Shame, I would love Scotland to go it alone and be a success.
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I think it's just a case of burn out. After the first vote, Brexit and then the pandemic a move to independence would be another uncertain upending of the table and people's thirst is just tapped out. Trouble for the SNP is it's their main ticket, if they don't pursue it then they're failing their own members but if they do they risk a lot.
I assume that's why Johnson has dialled down his opposition. If the SNP have their vote and it fails to secure Independence again the SNP won't be able to push for it again possibly within his lifetime.
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Originally posted by fishbowlhead View PostGood. Now everyone shut up about it. Dead, done with.
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If they do get it and it fails a second time it'd be interesting to see how they approach that scenario as the SNP being in a position where it they pretty much literally can't even properly discuss independence as a realistic consideration is a bit like the Green Party being barred from pushing for green initiatives
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I think you underestimate the ferocity of hatred the SNP have towards the English.
If they can happily neglect education, health, policing etc throughout their tenure, while continually pushing the leave agenda - heck, they've even continued the push during a sodding pandemic - then overstepping the mark with, what ultimately is a couple of phrases that were only included for political purposes /tension in the first place, is nothing.
Don't forget, so desperate are they to wave goodbye to us English heathens, they produced one of the most lie-ridden, speculative political documents ever seen, as full of idiocy and deceit, as it was light on actual facts (their 2014 plan).
A political party lieing to its populace to push an agenda is not just a south of the border problem.
PS - Neither is a political party helmed by a sex-pest a south of the border only issue...Last edited by wheelaa; 07-10-2021, 12:33.
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Originally posted by wheelaa View PostI think you underestimate the ferocity of hatred the SNP have towards the English.
If they can happily neglect education, health, policing etc throughout their tenure, while continually pushing the leave agenda - heck, they've even continued the push during a sodding pandemic - then overstepping the mark with, what ultimately is a couple of phrases that were only included for political purposes /tension in the first place, is nothing.
The Scottish independence movement is similar; there's a decent wedge of the Scottish population who would vote for independence even if, as a side-effect, it was guaranteed that a third of the population would instantly drop dead the moment the vote went through. They want it for ideological reasons irrespective of what it means.
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Originally posted by wheelaa View PostI think you underestimate the ferocity of hatred the SNP have towards the English.
If they can happily neglect education, health, policing etc throughout their tenure, while continually pushing the leave agenda - heck, they've even continued the push during a sodding pandemic - then overstepping the mark with, what ultimately is a couple of phrases that were only included for political purposes /tension in the first place, is nothing.
Don't forget, so desperate are they to wave goodbye to us English heathens, they produced one of the most lie-ridden, speculative political documents ever seen, as full of idiocy and deceit, as it was light on actual facts (their 2014 plan).
A political party lieing to its populace to push an agenda is not just a south of the border problem.
PS - Neither is a political party helmed by a sex-pest a south of the border only issue...
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Nicola Sturgeon plans to relaunch campaign for Scottish independence | Metro News
Sturgeon is today making a renewed push for a Scottish Independence referendum.
I get it's their 'thing' but it feels like they're now aiming for the worst timing possible
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