Xbox - Series S/X: Thread 01

[fishbowlhead]

Yep. Sony win if they pitch a comparable console at a price between the xboxs

Sony will win anyway.

EXCLUSIVES!

Shockingly people will buy a console for that platform holders exclusives, otherwise there would just be 1 generic box everyone makes for.

MS don’t have any, so their console doesn’t get looked at when alongside all the Sony & Nintendo exclusives.

Still a concept MS have failed to grasp, and please don’t anyone say PC doesn’t count, if you shove all your games on another platform then no ones going to buy the console are they.

[Team Andromeda]

Looking at the article linked above it looks like it might be a low end model for 1080p only and a full fat 4k model.

Yep, can't wait for E3

[Team Andromeda]

Still a concept MS have failed to grasp, and please don’t anyone say PC doesn’t count, if you shove all your games on another platform then no ones going to buy the console are they.

Only SONY did that in the PS days and where it could have been said that SEGA and Nintendo had the bigger In House teams and the more exclusive’s (more so at the start) but in the PS days the PS was the system to own to play the best versions of 3rd party console games and SONY didn't mind if it paid for exclusives like Tom Raider 2 were also out on the PC or if its In-House games like G Police ect were on the PC

It's also about having a console that's well made, and plays the games the best and is a great platform to develop on, things like that are really what help to sell the original XBox, PS and 360. I'm bet the only reason SONY doesn't look to developer games on the PC anymore is becasue of MS entry into the console market and not willing to pay MS the royalties to use Windows

[fishbowlhead]

Only SONY did that in the PS days and where it could have been said that SEGA and Nintendo had the bigger In House teams and the more exclusive’s (more so at the start) but in the PS days the PS was the system to own to play the best versions of 3rd party console games and SONY didn't mind if it paid for exclusives like Tom Raider 2 were also out on the PC or if its In-House games like G Police ect were on the PC

It's also about having a console that's well made, and plays the games the best and is a great platform to develop on, things like that are really what help to sell the original XBox, PS and 360. I'm bet the only reason SONY doesn't look to developer games on the PC anymore is becasue of MS entry into the console market and not willing to pay MS the royalties to use Windows

All the console makers had to start that way by buying studios or paying 3rd parties for exclusives for their box only.

Sony doesn’t put its in house games on pc because it wants to sell Sony consoles and then sell Sony games for its console (same as Nintendo), it’s not that difficult a concept to grasp.

If MS wants to sell more consoles then it needs games that are 100% exclusive to that box only, end of. If you shove it on pc then people will just buy it on pc = no console sale.

The box is an inanimate object without the games.

[Team Andromeda]

All the console makers had to start that way by buying studios or paying 3rd parties for exclusives for their box o.

in the 5th gen of consoels. SEGA and Nintendo had well established studios compared to SONY's none and guess what that counted for nothing, then it was all about the great 3rd party support and the PS having the best versions of the games. And you seem to forget that Studio Liverpool was a In-House team and yet PC users could play the likes of G Police and why did SONY pay Edios a ton of money to keep Tomb Raider exclusives to SONY console, but no issues with the TB games coming out on the PC?

PC's and console's are different (that's why they are not called the same) and if you said was true, other than SONY's games all 3rd party multi platform games would sell the best on the PC (since almost everyone has one) , but they don't.

People still like the easy of use of the console.

[Cassius_Smoke]

But this isn't Ms first console, they are 3 consoles deep at this point and I would expect them to have a good slate of established franchises and new exclusives in the works. You can't make 10 years of console sales with Halo and Forza.

[Team Andromeda]

You can't make 10 years of console sales with Halo and Forza.

Why not, Seems to work for Nintendo who just turns out endless sequels to Mario, Zelda, Smash.

[Nico87]

Why not, Seems to work for Nintendo who just turns out endless sequels to Mario, Zelda, Smash.

But those sell much more than the Xbox franchises. In addition to those three examples, they also have Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, Mario Kart, Mario Party, various Mario sports, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Tomodachi, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade. In addition they have under-used franchises such as Star Fox and F-Zero among others.

MS aren't anywhere near that variation but they are at least trying with all the studios now under the Xbox Game Studios Umbrella.

Besides, and without knowing the specs, I'm fairly sure that Xbox will continue to be the best place for multiplats, and those account for what, 80% of software sales. And that's taking into account blockbusters such as Spider-Man, Uncharted and God of War.

The problem for MS is that most people only get one console per gen, and if the exclusives are as good as PS4's have been, people will survive the downgrades that comes with a lesser console. Pro's aren't selling enough because the first-party PS4 games are so polished that the difference isn't worth it for many people, unlike Xbox One to Xbox One X.

[CMcK]

Multiplatform titles sell loads more than exclusives on PS4 and Xbox. The exclusives are basically part of the respective platform holders marketing budgets. God of War and Spider-Man did big business last year but the usual FIFA, Call of Doodie, Rockstar games, Madden etc are where the action is.
This strange new era of faddy free to play is changing the shape of the market though. PUBG has been overhauled by Fortnite. And Fortnite can be played on any major gaming platform including half decent phones. Maybe MS aren’t daft investing in games as a service?

[Team Andromeda]

But those sell much more than the Xbox franchises. In addition to those three examples, they also have Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, Mario Kart, Mario Party, various Mario sports, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Tomodachi, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade. In addition they have under-used franchises such as Star Fox and F-Zero among others.

Lets no get into lists, because MS have quite a number of IP's from this and previous gens, its just a shame that like Nintendo MS only seem to focus on a select few (at a quess the ones that make money) and choose not to look to make sequels to Recore, Sunset, Ninja Blade (well I liked it) Rallisport, Crimson Skies

You seem to act like the XBox One is a complete flop, its sold over 40 million way better than the OG XBox, better than the N64, the Mega Drive and this gen marks a era when the XBox Divsion has never posted a loss for any quater and made 10 billion dollars for the last quater alone

MS just need to do what they did so well with the OG XBox and 360; thats make its console the most powerful and easiest to develop on and look to work with some of the top Japanese developers. That to me is what MS got so badly wrong at the start of this gen

[Cassius_Smoke]

A big issue MS has to address is how it's going to entice 90+ million ps4 users to jump ship. When the 360 did this with ps2 player base there were no online accounts so jumping across wasn't a big deal. Now millions of people have friends list, trophies and downloaded games tied to Sony.
Sony PS5 will undoubtedly carry all this across, have 1 console at launch and will be priced competitively. I want MS to come out fighting because competition is good for the consumers, but I struggle to think how they'll do it.

[Team Andromeda]

A big issue MS has to address is how it's going to entice 90+ million ps4 users to jump ship. When the 360 did this with ps2 player base there were no online accounts so jumping across wasn't a big deal. Now millions of people have friends list, trophies and downloaded games tied to Sony.

I like irony given the flack MS got for looking to make the One an online console . But looking over that, Yes that is an issue, but many 360 fans who jumped ship had no issue using singing up to PSN and leaving all their 360 LIVE friends behind. LIVE is one of the area's that continues to do well for MS with record levels of subscribers and revenue.

MS dropped with ball with Kinect and underpowered Hardware. I don't see them making that cock up again

[Cassius_Smoke]

The migration from 360 to ps4 was caused by MS unvailing a console no-one wanted. People didn't have much of an option.

[Brad]

The ms exclusives have turned out to be poor vs the Sony ones which have been good and Sony have more of them and they have vr and they didn’t go on about tv at launch or the mythical power of the cloud or not being able to lend games to friends. For next gen ms need to make fewer of those sorts of mistakes. They’ve been buying up studios aplenty so are on the right track I think.

[Team Andromeda]

The migration from 360 to ps4 was caused by MS unvailing a console no-one wanted. People didn't have much of an option.

Not saying otherwise, but all those people had no trouble joining up to PSN and making new friends and I would also imagine, still have XBox live handles from their 360 days. So if MS make a winning console, can use then again.