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    #16
    Yeah I can’t see an Xbox 4 reveal. They are still selling One Xs for £400+ and about to launch a new bottom tier discless S.

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      #17


      A rumour that Microsoft is currently working to sign off three more studio acquisitions in time for an E3 announcement. The studios would be:

      Asobo Studio
      A Plague Tale: Innocence, ReCore, Disneyland Adventures

      Relic Entertainment
      Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III, Company of Heroes 2, The Outfit

      IO Interactive
      Hitman, Kane and Lynch, Freedom Fighters

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        #18
        This year is weird it’s the first time in ages I have zero interest in e3, unless something amazing appears I doubt i’ll Watch any of it.

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          #19
          I can't help but feel twitchy when MS proudly proclaims they are buying studios. It feels like weaponizing game studios. It can probably only lead to games made by these studios being exclusive to XBOX. MS Can say they are supporting cross play all they want, but if they then flip the bird to Sony for wanting games from IO Interactive then it just looks bad.

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            #20
            But it’s ok for Sony owned studios to not support Xbox?

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              #21
              Originally posted by CMcK View Post
              But it’s ok for Sony owned studios to not support Xbox?
              It's OK for any platform holder to create a studio and finance their games. This means their money creates games for their platform which otherwise wouldn't exist. It's also fine for them to contract a third-party studio and finance games which they wouldn't otherwise be making.

              It's a bit off for a platform holder to buy a game which is largely complete, or buy off an existing developer, as all that does is make potential multi-platform games into single-platform ones. It's a bit like when MS bought that Tomb Raider game; true, it was an Xbox Exclusive (though on PC?), but in that case, they paid for it not to be released on PS4 - as opposed to paying for it to exist on Xbox.

              This isn't a Sony/Microsoft rivalry issue though. Sony have done as much of this (if not more) in the past; weren't they really guilty of it in the PS1/Saturn era? Just a platform holder buying an established studio doesn't necessarily make things better for the consumer.
              Last edited by Asura; 16-04-2019, 16:11.

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                #22
                Square Enix is having another crack at holding an E3 show.You'll be able to watch what unfolds from 2am UK time on 11th…


                Times set for the SquareEnix showing

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Asura View Post
                  It's OK for any platform holder to create a studio and finance their games. This means their money creates games for their platform which otherwise wouldn't exist. It's also fine for them to contract a third-party studio and finance games which they wouldn't otherwise be making.

                  It's a bit off for a platform holder to buy a game which is largely complete, or buy off an existing developer, as all that does is make potential multi-platform games into single-platform ones. It's a bit like when MS bought that Tomb Raider game; true, it was an Xbox Exclusive (though on PC?), but in that case, they paid for it not to be released on PS4 - as opposed to paying for it to exist on Xbox.

                  This isn't a Sony/Microsoft rivalry issue though. Sony have done as much of this (if not more) in the past; weren't they really guilty of it in the PS1/Saturn era? Just a platform holder buying an established studio doesn't necessarily make things better for the consumer.
                  What a weird comment. If companies want to pay for either the studio as a whole or, for that game as an exclusive, then that’s their prerogative.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by fishbowlhead View Post
                    What a weird comment. If companies want to pay for either the studio as a whole or, for that game as an exclusive, then that’s their prerogative.
                    It absolutely is their prerogative. It's not like they're breaking a law or something. What I'm saying is that we, as consumers, don't necessarily benefit from that practice. It's better for us if publishers finance games which wouldn't otherwise exist.

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                      #25
                      My concern was that if EA, Activision or MS & Sony for that matter begin hoovering up studios, they will only prioritise the games that will make them money from these studios and leave unique games on the cutting room floor. Bioware for example was an RPG making company with single player in mind and yet EA forced a Live Service ****brick on them. Live service games with continued revenue are all the rage and any studio with visions of a single player experience simply won't see the kind of funding needed to produce the game properly. If you think this doesn't happen take a look at EA and its handling of any studio they bought. But EA is making money and MS and whoever else is chasing the same rainbow. That's not good for the industry and its not good for us as players.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Asura View Post
                        It absolutely is their prerogative. It's not like they're breaking a law or something. What I'm saying is that we, as consumers, don't necessarily benefit from that practice. It's better for us if publishers finance games which wouldn't otherwise exist.
                        Depends how the studio is managed though doesn’t it. Either way the consumer still gets the game whoever pays for it, so it’s win win for for the end users. Certainly on the indie front there’s been loads of cases of the platform holders (all of them) saving the day for 1-2 man bands, win all round, we get the game and the dev who poured his soul into something gets a pay off.

                        On the big project side, well again doesn’t really matter does it, game still comes out.

                        Seems to me like people are getting far to much hang up on games not coming out on THEIR preferred platform. Well that’s never going to change, you pays your money you makes your choice on platform, you want God of War buy PlayStation, want Mario buy Nintendo etc.

                        [MENTION=16707]Cassius_Smoke[/MENTION]
                        More unique games have come out since the Xbox live & PSN stores launched than ever before. Gaming has never been more diverse thanks to small devs having a cost effective platform to launch on.
                        Last edited by fishbowlhead; 24-04-2019, 07:31.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by fishbowlhead View Post
                          [MENTION=16707]Cassius_Smoke[/MENTION]
                          More unique games have come out since the Xbox live & PSN stores launched than ever before. Gaming has never been more diverse thanks to small devs having a cost effective platform to launch on.
                          Small devs yes. But small devs may eventually strike gold with a game and catch the gaze of Sauron. At which point they sell themselves to EA, MS or Sony at the promise of more cash and attention. Visceral games for example made primarily single player games and then they made Dead space. At which point EA's gaze fell on them and they were told to make Battlefield Hardline, it failed (because that's not the type of game they make) and EA killed them. The cycle continues. This isn't good for us as players, because lord only knows what other games Visceral games had planned which we will never see.
                          MS or Sony buying studios could actually be worse because not only could they tell the studio to make only a specific game but it may also set it as an exclusive.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
                            Small devs yes. But small devs may eventually strike gold with a game and catch the gaze of Sauron. At which point they sell themselves to EA, MS or Sony at the promise of more cash and attention. Visceral games for example made primarily single player games and then they made Dead space. At which point EA's gaze fell on them and they were told to make Battlefield Hardline, it failed (because that's not the type of game they make) and EA killed them. The cycle continues. This isn't good for us as players, because lord only knows what other games Visceral games had planned which we will never see.
                            MS or Sony buying studios could actually be worse because not only could they tell the studio to make only a specific game but it may also set it as an exclusive.
                            So a platform holder isn’t allowed to make something an exclusive title for their platform if they buy the studio or pay for its development?

                            What lala land do you love in?

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by fishbowlhead View Post
                              So a platform holder isn’t allowed to make something an exclusive title for their platform if they buy the studio or pay for its development?
                              More or less. Not 'Isn't allowed', but 'Bad for the consumer'.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Cassius_Smoke View Post
                                More or less. Not 'Isn't allowed', but 'Bad for the consumer'.
                                Well when you fund a game and pay the staff then you get to decide what platform, 1 or all, it comes out on.

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