Europe IV: The Final Hour

[QualityChimp]

Slimy career politician Chuka has abandoned his own ship at the first sign of trouble and dropped Change UK for the Lib Dems. Lucky them.

Most politicians can't get away with changing parties so frequently, but Chuka Can.

Chuka can.

Chuka

Chuka

Chuka can.

[Nu-Eclipse]

Chuka can.

Chuka

Chuka

Chuka can.

I don't think that even Rufus would feel for him.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/14/boris-johnson-pledges-to-drop-backstop-in-orderly-brexit-plan

Boris says he would drop the Irish Backstop

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jun/18/tory-leadership-bbc-debate-boris-johnson-voting-results-gets-fresh-boost-as-leadsom-gives-her-support-live-news

Boris finally steps up to the plate in the BBC debate that followed the second vote where only one candidate got axed. He may have finally put in an appearance but it seems everyone in the running still fails to begin to put together even the faintest sign of a solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/18/corbyn-to-outline-brexit-strategy-but-unlikely-to-back-remain

Corbyn is set to lay out his new latest vision for Labour after it got battered in the European Elections yet will still massively avoid any commitment to Remain or a Second Referendum. The man, literally, doesn't get it and needs to be given the boot.

[MartyG]

It's seems his strategy is wait for the Tories to cock it all up and then it doesn't really matter which side of the fence he sits on. Unfortunately I think that strategy gives the opportunity for the Brexit Party to pick up a load of MP seats.

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-tory-members-uk-economy-scotland-northern-ireland-yougov-a8963391.html

I mean, it just really is time for the two main parties to die now.
A YouGov poll of Conservative members has found that:

46% of members would be happy to see Nigel Farage as party leader
63% would accept Scottish Independence as a cost to achieve Brexit
59% would accept the unification of Ireland as a cost to achieve Brexit
61% would accept significant damage to the UK economy to achieve Brexit
54% would accept the Conservative Parties destruction to achieve Brexit

51% would cancel Brexit... to stop Corbyn getting into power

They literally shouldn't be allowed to hold their seats with that mindset.

[MartyG]

That's the party membership, not the MPs, although a majority of the ERG would probably lean that way (they are still a minority of conservative MPs).

Before the referendum, of all 650 MPs, 480 supported remain. Of 330 conservative MPs, 184 favoured remain.

But it is these people who will be choosing the next PM, all 110,000 (ish) of them. Majority male, majority white, majority over 50.

[Neon Ignition]

It just begs belief as to why they take that view. I mean, they bang on about May being a Remainer but the entire party took that position during the referendum. At this point it shows an obscene level of stubbornness for no other reason that carrying out Brexit purely because 'democracy' and 'the will of the people' which is blatantly a false position because the people didn't vote for the any of the kinds of scenarios they're marching us into at this point. If they think they can carry out No Deal with zero parliamentary support and no mandate for that option at either a party or PM level and come out well or at all then it will stand that the single only other figure worse than them is Corbyn. I mean, he's simply outright running on one or two thought processes:

01 - He wants Brexit to happen
02 - He wants it done under the terms of a deal the EU have said isn't available or realistic
03 - He ignores what MPs say
04 - He ignores what his own party says
05 - His decision making is solely informed by his ambitions to be PM

How is he not a Tory at this point?

[CMcK]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8963391.html

I mean, it just really is time for the two main parties to die now.
A YouGov poll of Conservative members has found that:

46% of members would be happy to see Nigel Farage as party leader
63% would accept Scottish Independence as a cost to achieve Brexit
59% would accept the unification of Ireland as a cost to achieve Brexit
61% would accept significant damage to the UK economy to achieve Brexit
54% would accept the Conservative Parties destruction to achieve Brexit

51% would cancel Brexit... to stop Corbyn getting into power

I saw that poll yesterday and cringed. These are the people that are going to "elect" the next Prime Minister FFS.

It's not just the two main parties that need to die it's the whole notion of party politics. Electoral reform is desperately required.

[Zaki]

99% would accept rubbing their genitals on a cheese grater to achieve Brexit.

[Lebowski]

If it protects there offshore investments and dodgy financial dealings from being meddled with by the EU then yeah they probably would.

[eastyy]

99% would accept rubbing their genitals on a cheese grater to achieve Brexit.

Make britain grate

[Zaki]

Make britain grate

[charlesr]

Make britain grate

Played!

[Neon Ignition]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jun/19/tory-leadership-boris-johnson-result-vote-hunt-suggests-boris-johnson-cant-be-trust-to-keep-his-brexit-promises-live-news

Four horses left in the race but technically three given one is lame and dying. Either way, Boris has extended his lead making the rest of this process pointless

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/17/election-of-prime-minister-by-tory-party-members-is-unconstitutional

Though a former Commons Clerk has said the current process of selecting a new leader is unconstitutional as it's there to select a new leader, not a new Prime Minister and so fails as a democratic process