The winter / holiday mixing / new variant is just carnage. I genuinely thought after wave 1 that deaths in the 1000s a day were forever behind us. Now a grim 2000 milestone is...a realistic possibility?
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The winter / holiday mixing / new variant is just carnage. I genuinely thought after wave 1 that deaths in the 1000s a day were forever behind us. Now a grim 2000 milestone is...a realistic possibility? -
Given last 2-3 days we're probably talking tomorrow, aren't we? It's just staggering, what our government has achieved.Originally posted by wheelaa View PostComment
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I understand about rapid charging, it's the same for AA's at home but technology must improve further, 70% isn't great (I see you actually said minimum 70%), if your range starts at 200 miles that means it could drop to only 140 after eight years. Look at a petrol car, 50mpg will stay more or less the same throughout its life, if after eight years you were only getting 35 mpg you probably wouldn't be a happy bunny.Originally posted by CMcK View PostComment
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UK vaccinations hit 343,000 in one day - a new record
UK COVID deaths hit 1,820 in one day - a new recordComment
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The number of deaths with C-19 mentioned on the death certificate is and always was bound to increase long after the current lockdown started. Its going to be 28 days (2nd February?) before the effect of the lockdown will show significant statistical results simply because the C-19 deaths counted have a +28 day time frame.
What the figures indicate is that the pre-Xmas lockdown break was a bad idea and unlucky too in that it apparently coincided with the new more easily transmitted variant(s). Some unlucky people are now paying the price for that Xmas and New Year break.
The rising figures are also indicator other things too but I'll leave that up to the history books writing about this period in the future to examine and interpret.Comment
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As I understand it, the majority of deaths now are of covid caught 3-4 weeks ago (there are also some from before that which are not counted).
That should mean that we are roughly plateauing now on that basis for a week or so but I am not sure that we have not seen a lot of people getting it and then going out after to "exercise" with friends having travelled across the country over the xmas period.
Sadly, i think we still have a road to travel on this and one of the very worst things will be the friendly press telling us what a great job Hancock and Zahavi have done to bring this down under the wonderful leadership of Johnson.Comment
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Another thing that might instruct that rate going forward is...
A major new study ahs suggested that the number of new infections rate of decline has now maxed out with cases levelling off suggesting that Lockdown 03's impact has now reached its limit unless tightened further. Without further falls any lifting of lockdown can be ruled out, especially as they include a risk of rates still increasing again during lockdown due to the new variants. Williamson has also previously stated schools would be the first institution to re-open...
With school re-openings now kicked back to post-Easter ensuring Lockdown 03 will remain in place till at least April.Comment
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1820.
That's insane and set to go higher. "World beating."
Even if you're a sceptic and say they put Covid on the death certificate, even if they fell off a ladder, or they're mainly old or mainly obese, even half that number every day is terrible.
And it's not like a bomb where that figure is a one-off, we're going to see near 2000 deaths daily for a while.Comment
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And as always, what that figure doesn't include are the people who survive but are left in shreds due to the long term effects. This has been on my mind since hearing about someone who died from it, except they had cleared the covid. It was gone. But their lungs were in such a bad state after it that they didn't pull through. Had they made it, they would have needed a lung transplant.Comment
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Plus that it's still a cheated figure, I'm much more inclined to believe the ONS figures and in any case the fact that this is a wealthy first world nation the number of deaths is beyond unforgivable.Comment
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I find it such a bad take that, whenever a statistic is given, some people give a "yeah, but..." rebuttal.
"Yeah, but we have a denser population/more obese people/more old people/they're including any death as Covid/people are suicidal in lockdown/etc."
Our Government have failed us with their dithering, cronyism and continued refusal to act fast enough.
We have failed ourselves every time we don't make an effort to reduce the spread.Comment
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It is an indicative figure - the ONS ones are "final". The NHS ones are used for daily reporting and have been fudged to make them lower in some ways. I think the number is not "cheated" but the way it is presented is often false which you would hope that the reporting of it would cover. It does not. Do believe the ONS figures!
When the pandemic first started the reported daily NHS figure was lower than reality as it was anyone that had tested for it and then died. As testing was rare, this meant that lots of people that had died of Covid-19 were not included as they had not been tested. That was why the ONS figure was higher (COVID on death certificate rather than tested before). For example, someone that died outside a hospital relatively suddenly would not have been tested but would be on ONS as the death certificate would note that.
As testing numbers moved and we had a more complete approach on, the earlier *fudge* meant higher numbers were being reported as someone that had covid but died of something else could be counted (this was jumped on by the people that still get paid for their writing but thought covid was fake). The ONS process would not capture someone in their numbers unless it was a cause of death. The government lowered the numbers by applying another fudge and saying x days after the positive test would be counted. As it seemed that the journey to death seemed to last 3-4 weeks, this was set. Anyone who suffered for longer would not die as a result of covid per the stats. The ONS would capture that and also not capture the people that had covid in the past. It is therefore reliable (but slower).
The point is that the government have decided what to monitor (and how to release that information) and, more importantly, have done so for non-medical reasons but to try to look good. And, somewhat amazingly, it works as a pretty large number of people say thay are doing well and the best that anyone could in these situations.
Although correlation is not causation, those that say this often seem to have been big fans of brexit and they often seem to have been pretty insular in their thinking (maybe looking at the US, a lot) which may be why they have decide not to bother comparing to other countries.
Frankly, as a country, we decided that when deaths were *only* 100 or so per day, it was all over. 100 deaths per day was acceptable. And when the number eventually falls to 500 per day, the country will again say "woohoo" that is acceptable now.Comment
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It's stuff like this as well:
US Population - 328.2m
UK population - 66.6m
US deaths - 406,000
UK deaths - 94,745
US ratio - 0.000123%
UK ratio - 0.142229%
And any density argument pales next to major US cities let alone the last twelve months of how the US has handled the crisis. It feels like, small as those percentages look without wider context applied, something has been and is going very wrong with how UK COVID patients are handledComment
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The NYC deaths to population is 0.48875%Originally posted by Neon Ignition View Post
Much of the US is sparsely populated, even with 100s of miles between houses in some states, so just comparing the overall country wide isn't like for like. Not saying the UK isn't bad (it's fairer to compare to European countries with similar population densities), but comparing it to the whole of the US is going to exegerate things massively.Comment
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Or Asian countries which have cities that are incredibly dense yet seem not to have the same number of deaths or cases. There is a cultural difference there too, but density is a huge factor in how a disease like this spreads.Comment
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