Smartjoy Frag - Halo 2

[SUMIRE]

If I find anyone using one of these in a game I'm hosting I'll be kicking them out straight away.

Looks like you will be playing by yourself judging by the amount of pre-orders and sales for this product.

[NeilMcRae]

Charlie,
I kinda get your viewpoint, but how will you know ?


Neil.

[SUMIRE]

Of course not, taken to the extreme that would require everyone to get a keyboard and mouse.

I think the game should be played with the pad, as the developer intended.

Trying to gain an advantage by using the keyboard and mouse is low, imo. What is so good about the world of online console gaming is that it presents a level playing field where everyone has the same specced system, with the same limitations... Allowing peripherals like this to be used online corrupts what is currently a fair and balanced online environment.

Bad form.

That is a crazy thing to say. What you are saying is not allow any third party controllers on LIVE?

Like someone else said, what about playing someone at a Street Fighter game online who has a specific joystick? What about someone who invests in a Steering Wheel to play OutRun over the joypad....should they not be allowed?

To be honest, I'm not buying this to be Uber, I'm buying it because I prefer and keyboard and mouse...simple.

[Commander Marklar]

Charlie,
I kinda get your viewpoint, but how will you know ?

No headset

[Charlie Footstool]

That is a crazy thing to say. What you are saying is not allow any third party controllers on LIVE?

Like someone else said, what about playing someone at a Street Fighter game online who has a specific joystick? What about someone who invests in a Steering Wheel to play OutRun over the joypad....should they not be allowed?

To be honest, I'm not buying this to be Uber, I'm buying it because I prefer and keyboard and mouse...simple.

It really depends on the game. For something like Street Fighter, the game has arcade heratige so it's acceptable that someone would want to use the arcade joystick. It's frustrating for people like me who use the regular pad, and who have used pads for Street Fighter for years, matching up with a stick pro on SF3:TS on live and getting pasted, clearly you can perform the moves with more accuracy with the arcade stick - but I can understand them wanting to play that game with it.

Similarly, using a wheel with Outrun 2 is acceptable because its reflective of the arcade background.

But it's not the same to say the because Halo (and Halo 2) is an FPS that using a keyboard/mouse combo is ok since all FPSs on the PC are played this way. The original platform for Halo (and Halo 2) is the xbox, and it was designed with the pad in mind - and should be played as such.

[SUMIRE]

It really depends on the game. For something like Street Fighter, the game has arcade heratige so it's acceptable that someone would want to use the arcade joystick. It's frustrating for people like me who use the regular pad, and who have used pads for Street Fighter for years, matching up with a stick pro on SF3:TS on live and getting pasted, clearly you can perform the moves with more accuracy with the arcade stick - but I can understand them wanting to play that game with it.

Similarly, using a wheel with Outrun 2 is acceptable because its reflective of the arcade background.

But it's not the same to say the because Halo (and Halo 2) is an FPS that using a keyboard/mouse combo is ok since all FPSs on the PC are played this way. The original platform for Halo (and Halo 2) is the xbox, and it was designed with the pad in mind - and should be played as such.

Ever played HALO on PC with a keyboard and mouse? ...its great.

HALO is a FPS title, and FPS titles have a heritage? of being best played with a Keyboard and mouse in my opinion....much like your argument for the joystick and fighter games.

I agree with your point about getting pasted when using a pad against a Joystick in fighter games...hence the reason why I am purchasing a joystick. I like to use the right tool(s) for the job you might say.

[Freddo]

All USB devices (and xbox's controllers are only very very slightly different to USB) report a unique identifier to the USB controller when they are connected, all bungie need do to prevent the use of these devices is poll the USB controller for its ID (or in a more extreme move, the ID of any controllers not already "whitelisted") and then disable live play while its connected.

[Commander Marklar]

Use a 'good' uuid?

[PeteJ]

I'd struggle to use a keyboard\ mouse on Halo simply because I play on a TV screen and I'd have nowhere to put the things! Halo has been designed for the Xbox pad, and that is what I shall be using.

I don't care if people want to use a kb\mouse though, I'll still pwn them.

[Soi]

I agree. If you are not used to a pad and you play on sensitivity 3 you will not do very well. However, after practice and rampting the sensitivity to 10 the s-pad is very well suited to FPS. Have a look at some Halo 1 tournie vids for evidence of how good the best players are at aiming with a pad.

[VR46]

Have a look at some Halo 1 tournie vids for evidence of how good the best players are at aiming with a pad.

Any links please, just get piles of poo when googling Halo.

[Soi]

The only ones I've seen are the vides of the Halo tournie that was mentioned in this forum (run by someone who posts here). Video downloads from the finals can be found here.

[PeteJ]

There is an awesome video of some guy plowing through Attack on the Control Room on legendary. This guy is pulling off stuff that I couldn't have thought up in a million years. I'll try and find the link...

[Shiva]

Found it yet?

[VR46]

thanks Soi, back to topic anyone bought and tried out the Frag adaptor Mr Ono originally posted about ?

Oh and PeteJ, would love to see that vid. Cheers.