Halflife 2 coming to Xbox?

[replicant]

Its fine to a certain degree, but we need to look at the big picture.

Before this generation it is fair enough to discuss console fps games, and their control input in isolation of their PC cousins however today that is not the case due to one reason. Convergence of online play. Sega attempted it with Q3A on the DC, and its going to happen even more so with the ability of consoles to access broadband with a HDD. As anyone who has played the DC Q3A against PC gamers will tell you it was a seriously uphill struggle. And thats not purely down to skill differences between the gamers. No matter how good someone is with a joypad it is impossible to match the speed, and accuracy of someone with equal skill using the keyboard/mouse. That to me is where the biggest issue is. A game such as Halo which has a slow paced DM is more suited to joypad control, but a fast paced online game like HL, CS, or Q3A? A difficult task to compete and play.

Does that make any sense?

[Molloy]

Some people swear by playing beat-em-ups with a pad. There are even people who play Soul Calibur 2 with the analogue stick and claim that it's a viable option. The bottom line is I don't care what those people think. I want to use an arcade stick.

Let people play with pads if they want but I simply cannot stand it - give me the option to use something else. I'm happy to blow 40 euro on the peripheral. After playing multiplayer games like CS where I learnt to hit a guy in the head at 500 feet with a high recoil weapon I'm not going back to auto-aim.

[neonewcomer]

well those who prefer keyboards are most likely pc owners so get the pc version.................isn't the point of the xbox version so that non pc owners can experience the game? those who are used to the pad will not really give a ****.

[Sidez]

With Doom 3, Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex 2 on Xbox there really is no viable reason to upgrade your PC for gaming purposes. These are single player games so a pad is more than adequete. HLDM was bollocks and Doom was always best in cooperative so i'll take system linkup and split screen over net play.

Maybe when Quake 4 comes out will the PC crew have something that really demands mouse/kb control but for now they can keep their flashy setups.

"but a fast paced online game like HL, CS, or Q3A?"

HL and CS fast paced? LMAO. Valve killed all the speed from those games long ago with their lame engine tweaks to kill strath jumping. CS is all about strats and fast reactions, the game itself is as sluggish as can be.

[Brats]

Its fine to a certain degree, but we need to look at the big picture.

Before this generation it is fair enough to discuss console fps games, and their control input in isolation of their PC cousins however today that is not the case due to one reason. Convergence of online play. Sega attempted it with Q3A on the DC, and its going to happen even more so with the ability of consoles to access broadband with a HDD. As anyone who has played the DC Q3A against PC gamers will tell you it was a seriously uphill struggle. And thats not purely down to skill differences between the gamers. No matter how good someone is with a joypad it is impossible to match the speed, and accuracy of someone with equal skill using the keyboard/mouse. That to me is where the biggest issue is. A game such as Halo which has a slow paced DM is more suited to joypad control, but a fast paced online game like HL, CS, or Q3A? A difficult task to compete and play.

Does that make any sense?

That makes perfect sense m8. If PC gamers are thrown into the same serviers as console owners, the console owners will get slaughtered, no doubt about it.

However, I think convergance of online play is some way off for most games. XBox Live is closed system for a start, so that rules that one out. IIRC Q3A on the DC was only open to PC owners on a few, select servers. The rest were console only (although a few PC owners hacked their way in just to ruin DC owners matches ).

[replicant]

I don't want to be rude sidez, but I think Doom 3, and HL 2 make perfect sense to people wanting to upgrade their PC. There will be a difference between both products when compared to the PC, and XBOX. Plus we are talking about two games which have yet to be actually CONFIRMED by either developer as being XB bound. Theres been suggestions, and rumours but no confirmation. I would be surprised if they didnt arrive on the xbox mind you.

Im sorry you disagree Sidez, but CS on a pad would be a joke. Remember people who think its easy to play fps on a pad use auto aim. LOL.

True Brats, xb live is a closed network which is a shame. However, that alone makes the PC version much more appealing. I somehow don't think MS will be willing to allow indie mods to be uploaded to their servers. If that was the case with the PC, CS would never have been born.

[Sidez]

"Im sorry you disagree Sidez, but CS on a pad would be a joke. Remember people who think its easy to play fps on a pad use auto aim. LOL."

Where did I say that it would work on a pad? The game itself is a joke anyway. Betas 5.4, 7 and 1.0 were great but it's gone way downhill since then and is totally stale. CS was exciting 2-3 years ago but now rushing around with mp5s and m4s is old hat.

Doom 3 on Xbox was confirmed ages ago and Half-Life 2 is a definate. So yes IMO upgrading your PC for gaming purposes is pointless. Playing FPS online is boring unless the game revolves around competitive play (eg Q3). If Doom 3 MP has rocket jumps, railguns and strath jumping then you might have a point, we'll see.

[replicant]

Actually id haven't confirmed Doom 3. Its been mentioned, but its not been actually announced as definately coming. As I said I am sure it will come along. Also, I agree Half Life online is a complete joke. I was using it as an example. Never been a fan of it, or CS myself.

[Sidez]

Kinda OT but LOL at the Unreal series. Nali healing fruits are rad.

[Edame]

The xbox now has a keyboard adapter anyways, so I'm sure Valve are smart enough to make use of this, lets just hope that they decide to release a mouse adapter too in the meantime

I don't mind playing with either setup myself, they both have their uses

[Rabasaurus]

Half Life on the DC wqas unplayable using a controller as you lose so many essential functions due to lack of buttons/analogue sticks.

Pfft rubbish.

Just use the DC keyboard and mouse if you cant work out the buttons.

You back him up there by suggesting to use the keyboard and mouse!

Nope, read it again

Confused, it sounds like your agreeing with me. Im saying you need to use a KB and mouse to play the game as a controller alone lacks the necessary buttons to perform all the main actions. What strange way are you reading it?

[Molloy]

I'm more of PC FPS fan but the way PC games are at the moment and the fact that a 1Ghz PC can do pretty much everything make me shy away from spending ?1500 on a new system to play 2 games and some mods.

Keyboard, mouse and I'd go for the Xbox/PS2 version any day.

CS did definately go to the dogs after 7.1. They destroyed the pacing and took the emphasis off the team work so it became a rushing deathmatch game. Another problem is that all anybody plays is the 'fair' utterly predicatable maps like Dust. It's the ****ing same thing every round.