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    #31
    No 60Hz Mode a lot of the time
    Higher Prices
    Delayed releases
    Lack of Ltd / Special Edition stuff
    Censored Content
    Awful Box Artwork
    Poor Localisation
    Low Quality B&W Instruction Booklets
    Quailty Titles that never see the light of day in the West (Made all the more annoying when you look at some of the **** that does)

    All that versus the ability to pick up the odd bargain from a high street shop...which will usually be either used, damaged or defaced with black marker by the shop staff.

    Seriously...I can't for one minute think why anyone is even the slightest bit interested in the PAL market at all.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Yoshimoto
      Seriously...I can't for one minute think why anyone is even the slightest bit interested in the PAL market at all.
      Because I'm a really soft-core gamer, and it's convenient a fun to pop out to the shops with a bunch of mates shopping for something to have a bit of a multiplayer stab at that night?

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        #33
        Kingpin2 and Sof3


        When...............

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          #34
          You guys are just whiney bitches. You should always look on the bright side of life.

          Originally posted by Yoshimoto
          No 60Hz Mode a lot of the time
          Higher Prices
          Delayed releases
          Lack of Ltd / Special Edition stuff
          Censored Content
          Awful Box Artwork
          Poor Localisation
          Low Quality B&W Instruction Booklets
          Quailty Titles that never see the light of day in the West (Made all the more annoying when you look at some of the **** that does)
          1 All the new games I?ve bought in the last 5 years have had 60hz all bar about 3
          2 Its only cheaper to import because of the strength of our currency.
          3 You can wait, I?m sure you have other games you need to finish
          4 Piff? its just ribbons and glitter?
          5 Censored Content? oh you mean Ninja Gaiden
          6 I am not going to hang it on my wall
          7 Huh? Did you want FF(enter number) to be set in Seffield?
          8 Its not my choice of bed time reading.

          9 Ok? So your last point is very valid. That is the only time I really import. The rest of the time I cant be arsed.
          Last edited by Jakeway; 03-01-2005, 14:01.

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            #35
            I want people to realise that EA are **** and the people that work for them know it. All these amazing devcos that take millions of cash are just being mercenaries. They use EA as a harbour for a while, learning a few things a long the way, usually how to be even more shrewd and cunning, then when they have a bit of success they leave port and set sail for a home of their own.

            I just love it when a great dev team use and abuse EA, two fingers up to EA always makes me smile.

            SCEE are another story, and one that would only make people think I'm a hate fuelled maniac.

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              #36
              A new Steel Battalion game, on or offline (both!). Or at least some other, equally impressive, use of custom-controller+game.

              edit: Or even a special edition Tekki, using the Taisen engine

              SEGA to whore-out the Daytona license and somebody to get it on Live proper
              Last edited by Commander Marklar; 03-01-2005, 21:46.

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                #37
                Jakeaway, the reason people come to this forum is so they can talk about games they share a common interest. Games they like to play in full speed, when they're released (rather than months down the line), and not at idiotic prices.

                Take Europe's worst offender as an example. They're not representative of the whole, but SquareEnix do show that a lot of companies still release games uncomfortably late over here.

                Final Fantasy X was going for budget price in the US when Square released it in Europe at full price, with crippling speed and border issues I might add.

                The whole point of NTSC-uk is for people who want to avoid that.

                And to put it into context, you're whining about other people whining... 'bright side of life' indeed.

                Four issues Yoshimoto raises are still worth fighting for in Europe.

                60hz modes are still relatively uncommon on the PS2 (the world's best-suppported console).
                We still get high profile games months after release (see MGS 3, Disgaea, Otogi 2 etc.) or not even released at all (Katamari Damacy recently springs to mind, as do many Japanese US-released RPGs). We're still often overcharged roughly to the tune of ?10 more than not only our American equivalents for titles, but also to our European contemporaries abroad from the UK. And finally, localisations are still often poor in Europe with regards to properly handling language differences, support, and regional changes.

                The situation has improved somewhat in recent years, but it's far from perfect, and that's why a place like this exists. Not for people to moan, but for people to see how easy importing has become. Should it really come as a surprise to find people might be cynical of slow developments in the PAL market place?
                Last edited by Concept; 03-01-2005, 13:56.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by kingston lj
                  I want people to realise that EA are **** and the people that work for them know it.
                  Sorry , I refuse to get so caught up in the hobby that I "hate" a corporation that's more or less faceless to me.

                  Originally posted by kingston lj
                  All these amazing devcos that take millions of cash are just being mercenaries. They use EA as a harbour for a while, learning a few things a long the way, usually how to be even more shrewd and cunning, then when they have a bit of success they leave port and set sail for a home of their own.

                  I just love it when a great dev team use and abuse EA, two fingers up to EA always makes me smile.
                  In that case, I applaud EA for giving these fantastic dev outfits an environment to learn. I don't think EA particularly give a **** about who gives them the finger, simply because they're an extremely successful outfit.

                  And it's not like they exclusively produce ****? Or are you still stuck in FIFA circa 2001?

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                    #39
                    Concept: Well I am glad you guys bother. I can read all your post and see if a games worth my time.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ersatz Nihilist
                      Sorry , I refuse to get so caught up in the hobby that I "hate" a corporation that's more or less faceless to me.


                      In that case, I applaud EA for giving these fantastic dev outfits an environment to learn. I don't think EA particularly give a **** about who gives them the finger, simply because they're an extremely successful outfit.

                      And it's not like they exclusively produce ****? Or are you still stuck in FIFA circa 2001?
                      When I have a dig at EA I'm only having a laugh. At the end of the day they are just a big bloated arrogant good for nothing blood sucking axis of evil.

                      The only thing any one could learn from EA is how to take the piss, talk crap, and be able to leech people dry.

                      Take away the mercenary talent they employ, and EA would fold into oblivion.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Commander Marklar
                        A new Steel Battalion game, on or offline (both!). Or at least some other, equally impressive, use of custom-controller+game.

                        SEGA to whore-out the Daytona license and somebody to get it on Live proper
                        SEGA GIVE US DAYTONA LIVE NOW, WE HAVE ALL WAITED LONG ENOUGH! ft:

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by kingston lj
                          Take away the mercenary talent they employ, and EA would fold into oblivion.
                          I think that's harsh, I'm not fan of EA myself, but how can you make assumptions of the character of the people who work there? As you may well have heard, the management of EA have been driving their dedicated workforce into the ground with some obscene hours. To call them mercenary, when you don't know the ins and outs of the business, or the people who work there, seems reactionary to me.

                          Cacophanus on these forums works at EA. Does that make him a mercenary?

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                            #43


                            For 2005 I wish that EA would come up with a game that features new ideas and is not based on a franchise or some aspect of real life. I know its scarey EA... its called creativity, Put those long hours to good use.

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                              #44
                              But EA isn't entirely EA Sports, and as much as I've objected to the company's recent business choices, they can still occasionally sign a great game up, or (rarely it must be said) produce one themselves. This is such a tired argument, and I remember recently engaging in similar criticisms of EA myself.

                              Many criticisms hold merit, but I also think it's relatively easy to distill them into the cliche which many fling in their direction, without giving proper thought to the amount and diversity of games they actually publish.

                              I also don't think it's fair to start hypothesising about the moral state of their employees when so many of us are staring in from the outside without a clue.
                              Last edited by Concept; 03-01-2005, 15:19.

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                                #45
                                All developers have to be mercenary to a degree; I doubt anyone has any true allegiance to EA. People go where the money is and the highest bidder gets the talent. There are only a few companies that people really respect and enjoy working for.



                                If you look at the history of EA, it?s littered with disenchanted devcos upping and leaving. This is the reality of EA, and no one can deny it.
                                Last edited by Leon Retro; 03-01-2005, 18:04.

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