PES4 Back 4 Timewasting

[Widegoat]

I hope I'm posting in the right thread, apologies if not.

In PES4 (regardless of platform it would seem) there appears to be a way to get "cheap" wins after scoring the opening goal.

If you play as a team with a formation that involves a back 4 (i.e. 4:4:2), once you have scored the opener it would seem that all you have to do is knock the ball around your back four thus:

Left Back -> Centre Back Left -> Centre Back Right -> Right back, who then plays a long ball back over to the Left Back and the "system" repeats.

The AI (it doesn't seem to matter what tactics your opponent has set up) never moves the other dead ball area players anywhere near enough for an interception to take place.

So - it's ****ing boring and unacceptable, but it really seems to work. I find it infuriating when my flatmate pulls it on me (he does likewise), and (merely as an experiment) I have tried it on live a few times and it seems to work against a variety of play styles.

Has anyone got a way around this tactic being used in open play? Am I missing something fundamentally obvious?

Thus far, in the words of Alan Hanson "it's really taken the shine off the game, for me."

Widegoat

[GoodMorningSpider]

Have you tried playing a 4-2-4 with all your forwards set to man-marking their defenders? So your FL is marking their RB and so on...

Dunno if it'd work, but it's just a thought.

[Bleeders]

Wouldn't manually selecting the players and bringing them in work to retrieve the ball?

[gingerj]

Hes talking about a basic move, that doesn't require half of that pointless passing, from a goal kick pass it out to your winger and let your winger do a long through ball, as long as your center forward is strong he'll grab the ball and you have a chance at goal.

If your the other team, then manually selecting your lb/rb shouldn't be a problem and a header away isn't that hard if your wing back has good enough header/jump stats. Basic moves.....

[dataDave]

Try holding shoot button in order to make nearest unselected midfielder/attacker advance for the ball whilst advancing in-between passing line yourself?

Works for me when my mates are being ****.

[powerslide]

Has anyone got a way around this tactic being used in open play? Am I missing something fundamentally obvious?

yes, it's certainly one of the more obvious limitations of the AI in PES. It works less well if you have poor defenders (e.g. poor passing and control skills), but if you've got a decent back four, then it's almost foolproof against computer opponents (there's also the keeper to pass to as insurance). It's a great way to build up player ratings, especially in 1-0 matches.

I've found it also helps with breaking down the other team - pass it around the back-four once or twice, then the wingers from the opposing team breaks off marking your wingers, allowing you to pass it forward much easier.

[Widegoat]

Wouldn't manually selecting the players and bringing them in work to retrieve the ball?

That's what I thought, but the long pass at the end of the sequence (i.e. right back to left back) scuppers the manual select approach.

[Chadruharazzeb]

The AI is awful. It is in WE8i anyway, dunno what the difference is in PES4.

[Soong]

Why on earth would someone do this against the CPU? Most boring person ever.

Against a mate I can see it happening in the last 5mins or something. But I've had people try stuff like this before and it's really not hard to throw pressure on them to mess up.

[MikeRox]

oooh this could be handy. I have a nasty habit of conceeding in the 85-87 minute of a match taking the game into extra time. Sommet to try

[goldbricker]

It's probably because of your poor general skills in the game.

[hobo]

This exact thing happened to me on xbox live last night. I had never experienced it before.

I was challenged by a random (gamertag: Warnerworld). He didnt even bother attacking, just played it back to his defence and continually knocked it back and forth, it worked really well and I had no real chance to get the ball. I guess he was trying to make me quit and notch up an easy win.

Anyway i thought f*ck this, stopped playing and stuck my PSP on. Ill settle for a draw. He saw I was not playing and then made the mistake of moving up the pitch where I dropped my PSP tackled him and won a corner from which I then scored!

He was basically screwed then as he had to attack as he was 1-0 down. So to give him a taste of his own medicine I then began knocking it around my back four. 2 minutes later he quit

Hope this doesnt become common place though.