'do you mind if I have a look at the disk please?'

[revisedgenocide]

I agree with what someone said about the state of second hand DC games. Im sure many dc owners used their discs as frisbees just before they handed them into the local game shop. Ages ago i bought Virtua tennis second hand from gamestation to find that someone had been practising their glass cutting on it.

I recently bought fantavision 2nd hand from Game took it home to find out the disc did not work. Went back the next day and got a replacement. The bloke behind the counter told me to return it if any problems happened so they arent all bad. Plus this time the disc didnt have the letter 'p' on it in permament marker

[Smeghead]

My local indie (That'z Entertainment) are very good when it comes to unsealed games. If they haven't come shrink-wrapped, they show the customer the disc before the transaction takes place.

I don't reckon its as simple as relying on the shrink wrap anymore. I swear some shops re-shrinkwrap stuff to pass a return off as new again... I mean Game (for one) are hardly going to sell all the stuff returned in 10 days as second hand are they....

Most are still easy to tell though. PS1 an 2 have official Sony tabs that go around the shrink wrap, DC games have a plain one, GC/GBA have Nintendo tabs, and Xbox have the Seal.

I bought a "Brand new" Unreal Tourney for Dreamcast from GAME CD was so knackered it didn't work but complaining about DC discs, it is VERY hard to keep the scratch free as they're jus so delicate, but I don't know why, some of my games that have barely been touched look like they've been dragged along some concrete.

[vic_viper]

it is VERY hard to keep the scratch free as they're jus so delicate, but I don't know why, some of my games that have barely been touched look like they've been dragged along some concrete.

Sorry mate, but i totally disagree with you there. I can promise you that every cd based game i own that i've bought brand-new is 100% mark free. If you take the game out of the box carefully by the outer edges and place it carefully into the console there is no way of any scratches occuring. Although i've never experienced it myself i can imagine that its possible for a PS2 or XBox to scratch a disc but as for a DC, GC, Saturn or any other console where the disc sits on a spindle then its got to be down to mishandling.

CDs could be made from the most delicate substance of all time, but as long as you hold them correctly and place into the console or box properly then you won't get any scratches.

[v3rtigo]

I bought GTA:Vice City from GAME in Brighton a few months back.
I usually never buy from High Street shops, always buying games and DVDs online.
The service I received in Game didn't exactly make me want to change my shopping habits in a hurry, and when I got home I found that the GTA manual and map was very crumpled and even had a couple of small fag burns - nice!

On returning to the shop, no apologies from staff, only a 'god you must be anal' look when I asked for a crispy new manual sans classy fag burns.
I still don't understand why they sell 'brand new' games unsealed in shops. I much prefer to order them online where I know it will be new and sealed.

[nips]

Gamestation ALWAYS show me the disc! GAME, not so much.

After getting a copy of Soul Calibur for ?5 and finding that It wouldn't even get past the bloody DC loading thingy - I now always ask!

Ah well... Live and learn, and take advantage of their returns policy!

[darkangel]

So far I ahve neither had a problem with my local game in edgware, all the 2nd hand games are in a 2nd hand section, and I have have never really ahd a problem with scratches on disks.

Although once I bought a new game from them and it didnt come with the disk! I have also noticed now that more and more often they jsut put the disk into the insturtion manual, shrinkwrap it, and just put it into the game case! Lazy buggers.

[phillai]

2nd hand game shops are ****ing **** in this country.

Yep, even though I work in a local indie I'm shamefully admit that the state of our games in this country stink for 2nd hand stuff.

Do people in our country really don't give a **** about how they keep their games?
Generally in my opinion it seems to be the GTA and Fifa mainstream muppets who seem to not give a monkeys about how they look after their games...

We really do pale and are are so far behind the Japanese even when it comes to 2nd hand games.

Whilst I was in Tokyo last summer all the 2nd hand games I got were mint! And in the majority of the shops, they had a grading system on the cover of the games to tell you what state the CD and instructions are like...

Why can't we have something like this here?

Also, not having a go at my shop or others but when a game is new that's how it should be sold, NEW as in shrink wrapped NEW.

Not new as in, it's been out on the shop floor with people with greasy fingers from the chip shop all over the boxes and dog eared manuals.

What pisses me off though the most is when a slight mark is on the disc and me as a customer questions the mark, Mr Game Manager in Leeds wipes the disc round and round on his fat pot bellied tatty Game sweater and then says, what mark?

I couldn't be arsed explaining to him how a console reads CD's in general and walked out in disgust.

[jassi singh]

grrrrr...same avatar.

Anyway...I bought a ps2 game last year from GAME, Smackdown i think, and returned it...because it was ****!

So th i give him the game and the receipt...the CD is absolutely spotless...but the prat behind rubs the CD up and down his ?5 shirt, scraping the buttons of his crummy shirt. I was absolutely stunned when he turned round to me and said he couldnt accept it as it had a large scratch on it.

I flippin blew my lid, mid-shop, F'n and blinding on the cheek of the man to screw the CD up himself, in front of me, then refusing to take it. Luckily the manager saw him do it, and said it wasnt the best way to check if a CD had scratches on it. Fool

Anyway, i hardly ever go into that shop now. But Another World and my local Game station always sell new games sealed. For 2nd hand games, they show you the state of the CD first.

[probeater]

I remember buying a new copy of vitua fighter 3 from cex that was still sealed but had two copies of vitua fighter and no copy of project berkly, at first the staff refused to replace the disks and gave me some bizure excuse which I've now forgotten.
When ever I used to trade in my games I always used to get a postit note saying "for enlightenment call 0181********" (where *********) was my friends phone number and then inserted it into the manual, one day some one actually phoned him up

[Smeghead]

CDs could be made from the most delicate substance of all time, but as long as you hold them correctly and place into the console or box properly then you won't get any scratches.

well said m8, now explain the DC discs that are scratched inside FACTORY sealed cases (i.e. u take em out of the box for the first time and they're scratched). All my PS1 games, PS2, Xbox, GC games are mint except the ones I've bought 2nd hand, I KNOW how to look after a CD, but I tell u them GD Roms are different. I wish I knew what scratched em as I do treat my discs as u say. I've heard similar comments from other DC users regarding their discs. most of mine are mint, but one game I have, has a weird warping mark under the surface (explain that one).

[stroppa]

I worry, that if I ask to look at the disc, the GAME staff will talk to me. Especially that annoying aussie bloke in Edinburgh GAME at the moment.