Xbox Live Market Place - General Discussion Thread 1

[Soi]

Seems like the marketplace is going downhill. Any content should have to be extra to the game, not something that is just locked away.
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Nobody gives a **** about Bedingfield or the MI:3 trailer either, just give us more games, and sooner.

Snap judgement city.

If a racing game came out that said on the back of the box that it included 10 cars to play with, I wouldn't post here complaining that I was conned. I mean, 10 cars isn't loads, but if the game said it only had 10 cars when I bought it, then I have no cause for complaint. I didn't have to buy the game.

Then if 10 more cars were available to buy via the Marketplace, fans of the game would be happy. 10 more cars to play with. Great. How would it matter if those cars were on the game disk from the outset or downloaded?

Either way, you would be getting something extra over what was originally avertised to you. What is the problem with that?

As for your comments about trailers, movie trailers is big selling point of the system for some people. My other half can't be bothered downloading film trailers off the web. She wouldn't know where to look and hates viewing video on our laptop screen. It is as easy as pie on the 360. She watched the Narnia trailer about 5 times... So, contrary to your suggestion, she gives a **** about them.

[Brats]

How do you go about unlocking them in the game? I've gone through RR6 100% laurel leaf and all, but not these cars.

Then you've got the cars. They are just basic models that you win when you unlock specific sections of the World Explorer. As I said, they were released as unlocks for people who wanted to only play online but wanted more than just one car in each class at the beginning.

This wasn't additional content that was locked away, it was stuff already in the game that people could make available earlier if they so wished.

No you shouldn't have to go and buy a memory card and then go to your nearest kiosk (which is probably on the blink judging from 99% of the ones I've come across) just to get some stuff which you should have from the get-go. That is just a huge marketing ploy to squeeze extra pounds out of Joe gamer. This isn't 1992, gaming isn't shady anymore, this sort of practice shouldn't go on nowadays, its lazy and unfair. I guess you're Playstation generation so you wouldn't know about that.

Try Atari VCS generation . Making assumptions (and getting them wrong) is all you seem to do on this thread.

If you haven't got Live, then you're more likely to have a core pack which you need a memory card for anyway. And besides, you don't need a Gold service, just the silver service will suffice. So if you're a non-broadband using 360 owner with no memory card, then you miss out on a few extra cars that you can only use in multiplayer mode anyway. Big wow.

[PeteJ]

I have no anger regarding the microtransactions, but I have to say that I agree with Marty.

From what I've seen of the Oblivion construction set it isn't that difficult to use (particularly for someone who has been using it for four years, not including the four years of Morrowind dev time) - they should have added in a quest-line rather than a single quest. The potential is huge; a journey into Morrowind or another ajoining country, an adventure into a long-lost city or location similar to Pale Pass. They wouldn't need to update the main map in the slightest, because there are a handful of quests already in the game that do not actually exist anywhere. Could even reuse textures and speech and rely only on the text of books and notes.

I do like the idea of extra content, even if they charge...but I'd like to see them put in a bit more effort.

[Brats]

Isn't the next download (the Mages's tower) supposed to be a whole new quest line?

[Jebus]

Snap judgement city.

If a racing game came out that said on the back of the box that it included 10 cars to play with, I wouldn't post here complaining that I was conned. I mean, 10 cars isn't loads, but if the game said it only had 10 cars when I bought it, then I have no cause for complaint. I didn't have to buy the game.

Then if 10 more cars were available to buy via the Marketplace, fans of the game would be happy. 10 more cars to play with. Great. How would it matter if those cars were on the game disk from the outset or downloaded?

Either way, you would be getting something extra over what was originally avertised to you. What is the problem with that?

As for your comments about trailers, movie trailers is big selling point of the system for some people. My other half can't be bothered downloading film trailers off the web. She wouldn't know where to look and hates viewing video on our laptop screen. It is as easy as pie on the 360. She watched the Narnia trailer about 5 times... So, contrary to your suggestion, she gives a **** about them.

I don't think its quite that though...I feel that if I don't buy these Oblivion updates, then the first game I rate 10/10 in donkeys years, isn't the complete version because it's missing the new bits they bring out...

I know we don't HAVE to buy them but in cases like this, I don't think thats quite the point.

[Soi]

No, surely that is the point.

If you rate Oblivion as 10/10 in the state that you bought it in, how does extra content make what you originally bought worse?

For me, huge game (200+ hours) + more stuff + small charge = good.

[Jebus]

No, surely that is the point.

If you rate Oblivion as 10/10 in the state that you bought it in, how does extra content make what you originally bought worse?

For me, huge game (200+ hours) + more stuff + small charge = good.

You've completely misunderstood me I'm saying, that despite me feeling the game is a 10/10...to have the COMPLETE experience I'm gonna have to pay for each update as and when they see fit to release them. To have this game completely complete (as it were) I may have to pay another ?10...or whatever, who knows how many updates there will be.

I'm certainly not complaining about the level of content because I've only ever played one game longer (which will be eclipsed easily by Oblivion I think).

Personally I'm not a fan of "paid for" updates full stop, but I know I'll cave in and buy the Oblivion ones because I want to complete this game 100% and not having them will always feel like I didn't explore everything the game had to offer.

[J0e Musashi]

Then you've got the cars. They are just basic models that you win when you unlock specific sections of the World Explorer. As I said, they were released as unlocks for people who wanted to only play online but wanted more than just one car in each class at the beginning.

This wasn't additional content that was locked away, it was stuff already in the game that people could make available earlier if they so wished.

I didn't have the cars at all. I now every car, but only through racing online and downloading some of them. I had finished RR6 completely before I got my Live running and was missing quite a few cars, it wasn't until I got online that I could access the rest of them.

Try Atari VCS generation . Making assumptions (and getting them wrong) is all you seem to do on this thread.

If you haven't got Live, then you're more likely to have a core pack which you need a memory card for anyway. And besides, you don't need a Gold service, just the silver service will suffice. So if you're a non-broadband using 360 owner with no memory card, then you miss out on a few extra cars that you can only use in multiplayer mode anyway. Big wow.

I don't follow you here. People may want every car no? (They can be used in single player too btw). This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere
Whats with the VCS comment too? That post was aimed towards EvilBoris who was apparently born in 1985...

I originally commented on the back of another post I had read in regards to extra content. My main concern is that I still cannot play SF2 Hyper. I enjoy the free demos, but have not yet felt compelled to d/l any extras barring a music track on RR6. I don't see what the big problem is here.

[Jebus]

This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere

To me, being a consumer is about being allowed to pick and choose and when you do choose, moaning like **** about everything you aren't happy with. At the end of the day we are all paying a great deal of money for the system, the games AND a monthly subscription to the Live service...if someone has a problem with it I think they should have every right to complain about it.

There's certainly enough positive comments to balance it all out anyway! I really (personally) don't see any reason to get heated about it

[Soi]

Ok, I see what you are getting at now. You (like me) are weak willed and will buy anything related to a game you like

Paid for content doesn't bother me so much now, because now I have a proper job, I don't mind paying more for extra content. I'm not loaded, but have the means to splash a fair few ?1:50s around to buy more Oblivion quests if you see what I mean. I would have hated the idea aged 16 though.

[Jebus]

Ok, I see what you are getting at now. You (like me) are weak willed and will buy anything related to a game you like

Paid for content doesn't bother me so much now, because now I have a proper job, I don't mind paying more for extra content. I'm not loaded, but have the means to splash a fair few ?1:50s around to buy more Oblivion quests if you see what I mean. I would have hated the idea aged 16 though.

Indeed, very weak willed. It's been a long, long...****ING long time since I've felt this way about a game, just everything about it is incredible and it's normally the type of game I despise!

I know it sounds silly but ?1.50 isn't a lot in one hit but if you have to start doing that more often for updates...I mean you're already paying for the live subscription every month as it is which can be a stretch for some people.

But yeah, I'm a collector so anything related to something I love I'll buy.

[MJ]

I'd be happy to pay for a further 4 CO-OP missions on GRAW, if that is the only way the developer can finance the extras. But at the same time, for 50 quid, I would have liked more than 4 missions in the first place!

Likewise.

If these things are developed after the fact, then I don't mind paying a small premium for the extra work, but if they were developed before the game was released during the game's development time, then we shouldn't have to pay for them as that's what the RRP is for.

I think what Bungie did with the Halo 2 maps worked well and they all ended up being free eventually.

[Brats]

I didn't have the cars at all. I now every car, but only through racing online and downloading some of them. I had finished RR6 completely before I got my Live running and was missing quite a few cars, it wasn't until I got online that I could access the rest of them.

There are twenty three cars unlocked by racing online (one car every ten races), but they are all there. There is no need to download the cars, they ARE all unlockable in the game.

I don't follow you here. People may want every car no? (They can be used in single player too btw). This is a discussion no? I was discussing. I'm not entirely happy with the service I'm offered, am I not allowed to mention this in the thread or something? I didn't see "positive comments only" anywhere

Where did anyone say you couldn't be negative? As you point out this is a discussion, meaning we have the right to completely disagree with you, no?

Whats with the VCS comment too? That post was aimed towards EvilBoris who was apparently born in 1985...

Sorry. That wasn't clear to me in your original post.

[J0e Musashi]

There are twenty three cars unlocked by racing online (one car every ten races), but they are all there. There is no need to download the cars, they ARE all unlockable in the game.

I'll have to take your word on this I guess. I don't fancy playing through the bloody thing again to find out, but I know I never had all the cars when I had finished the World Explorer.

Where did anyone say you couldn't be negative? As you point out this is a discussion, meaning we have the right to completely disagree with you, no?

Of course. I suppose the marketplace is not something that everyone agrees on which is fair enough, but I felt a little bit like I was being frowned upon because of what I had written. It's a good addition to the 360, but I would like to see it run a little differently. I would be a much happier chap if I was able to play SF2 now as the continued waiting is starting to get to me.

[Spatial]

Microsoft has announced a PDZ demo is coming - it'll let you play the Outpost map either alone or split-screen / co-op over Live and will also include a test of a new multiplayer map, Plaza.

There'll also be an update which adds new bot content for the main game adding eight new bot personalities and four new maps.

No info yet on whether the new maps and bots will be free.