PC ports: good or bad for the Xbox 360?

[MikeRox]

Thats a matter of opinion.

In the UK at least that was it for top notch titles, unless Dragons Blood and 4 Wheel Thunder etc count though obviously it is just my opinion Once Crazy Taxi came out though, things well and truly picked up for the DC, I'm just hoping Dead Rising could be the start of something similar for the 360, as so far post launch releases for me have been very underwhelming on the whole. The system itself however is unquestionably a great and well thought out bit of kit.

Obviously in Japan the DC scene was completely different at that point

[Brats]

and, Brats, are you serious about the Chrome Hounds comment you made? sorry, i wish i had the money to buy even the games that already left a bad impression with their playable demo. and for the time being, i can't get my hands on any review copys

Nice assumption, but wrong. All my games I've bought myself.

I'm not expecting you to buy every single game for a platform, but when you clearly haven't played a great number of 360 titles (as your gamertag clearly shows) I take exception to you posting as some kind of authority on exclusive 360 games saying things like 'even the greatest 360 fanboy must admit that exclusive content for 360 leaves much to be desired by now'. And yet you've never played titles like RR6, Amped 3, Chrome Hounds, Table Tennis or DOA4. Where do you get off on that?

And although you've played PGR3 and Top Spin 2, you've barely scratched the surface of them (you have no gamerscore for TS2, and you only need to win a single match to unlock an achievement!).

And don't you think being critical about the games industry carries more weight if you actually know what you're talking about?

Come back when you've actually played some games (not demos) and we'll talk.

[marcus]

I'm not expecting you to buy every single game for a platform, but when you clearly haven't played a great number of 360 titles (as your gamertag clearly shows) I take exception to you posting as some kind of authority on exclusive 360 games saying things like 'even the greatest 360 fanboy must admit that exclusive content for 360 leaves much to be desired by now'. And yet you've never played titles like RR6, Amped 3, Chrome Hounds, Table Tennis or DOA4. Where do you get off on that?

rofl brilliant!

I guess thats one of the benefits of being able to see exactly what people are playing via the gamertag list, in the past anyone could claim to be an authority on a format because noone could really say otherwise until now, like here for example where Uli is clearly talking horse-****.

[charlesr]

Nice assumption, but wrong. All my games I've bought myself.

Just like to reiterate this. Getting review copies is the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority of the games we review are games we've bought ourselves because gaming is our hobby. We dream of a day where publishers around the world send us review copies.

[Yoshimax]

but when you clearly haven't played a great number of 360 titles (as your gamertag clearly shows) I take exception to you posting as some kind of authority on exclusive 360 games saying things like 'even the greatest 360 fanboy must admit that exclusive content for 360 leaves much to be desired by now'. And yet you've never played titles like RR6, Amped 3, Chrome Hounds, Table Tennis or DOA4. Where do you get off on that?

Genius Brats - Gotta say I love the whole Gamertag/Score thing for this - caught one of my mates out a few times using that !!!

[Uli]

Nice assumption, but wrong. All my games I've bought myself.

I'm not expecting you to buy every single game for a platform, but when you clearly haven't played a great number of 360 titles (as your gamertag clearly shows) I take exception to you posting as some kind of authority on exclusive 360 games saying things like 'even the greatest 360 fanboy must admit that exclusive content for 360 leaves much to be desired by now'. And yet you've never played titles like RR6, Amped 3, Chrome Hounds, Table Tennis or DOA4. Where do you get off on that?

And although you've played PGR3 and Top Spin 2, you've barely scratched the surface of them (you have no gamerscore for TS2, and you only need to win a single match to unlock an achievement!).

And don't you think being critical about the games industry carries more weight if you actually know what you're talking about?

Come back when you've actually played some games (not demos) and we'll talk.

Brats, do you really think you can tell for sure from my XBL profile what or how many 360-games i've played? you are kidding, right?

also, what are you trying to say or prove here? that the 360 has a hell of a great range of exclusive games and that i must be an uninformed lier? you made very clear that you are quite happy with the 360's range of games that's already on offer. so be it. but please understand that there are gamers out there with different tastes and who don't need to play through games completely just to get to know wether they like them or not.

[Team Andromeda]

In the UK at least that was it for top notch titles, unless Dragons Blood and 4 Wheel Thunder etc count though obviously it is just my opinion Once Crazy Taxi came out though, things well and truly picked up for the DC, I'm just hoping Dead Rising could be the start of something similar for the 360, as so far post launch releases for me have been very underwhelming on the whole. The system itself however is unquestionably a great and well thought out bit of kit.

Obviously in Japan the DC scene was completely different at that point

Thats's unfair though, SEGA had over 9 months to make sure it got the software ready for the Pal launch of the DC, M$ had 2 weeks and then another 2 weeks for the Jp launch

PS and Saturn users had to wait bloody ages for good software to come after thier domestic launches , the same was true for Mega Drive , DC, Snes and it took for ever for good software to come out for the N64, PS2 and Mega CD after thier domestic launches. So why does anyone think it will be so different for the 360 or PS3 when developments times and budgets are now so massive I just do not know .
Even the DS took a bit of time to get going after it 1st shipped in Japan

Much like moaning about PC ports (which are a good thing) and trying to make out its just a 360 problems, when I remember SEGA and SONY fighting for the rights over Command and conquer ect. Just looking to find faults

[marcus]

Brats, do you really think you can tell for sure from my XBL profile what or how many 360-games i've played? you are kidding, right?

also, what are you trying to say or prove here? that the 360 has a hell of a great range of exclusive games and that i must be an uninformed lier? you made very clear that you are quite happy with the 360's range of games that's already on offer. so be it. but please understand that there are gamers out there with different tastes and who don't need to play through games completely just to get to know wether they like them or not.

Your gamer profile clearly shows that apart from a few games like Oblivion for example where you've put time in, you have barely touched the majority of games you have 'played' which is I think what Brats is saying here. To be critical of the range the 360 offers when its clear you havent sampled most games beyond the load-screen is misguided somewhat.

[Yoshimax]

Let's wait and see how many top drawer EXCLUSIVES arrive for the PS3 in its first 12 months - I'll guarantee almost all the worthwhile titles will be on 360 as well AND 360 will be hitting full stride with all the quality exclusive stuff (GoW / DeadRising) hitting around Xmas this year plus titles like Saints Row coming before then.

It's SUMMER FFS - it's always dead - I can't help feel they've started pumping out all the live arcade stuff to make amends for the drought but there's nowt they can do about it.

Is there another platform on the market at the moment (skip the DS) pumping out quality titles at this point in time ?

[Uli]

...Uli is clearly talking horse-****.

marcus, i'm sorry to say this but i had expected better from you. there's surely no need to get offensive. and please tell me what exactly is so clearly horse-**** about what i've stated!

Your gamer profile clearly shows that apart from a few games like Oblivion for example where you've put time in, you have barely touched the majority of games you have 'played' which is I think what Brats is saying here. To be critical of the range the 360 offers when its clear you havent sampled most games beyond the load-screen is misguided somewhat.

XBL gamer profiles can offer a range of information between everything and not much. it depends on where you play and how much you make use of your online profile while gaming. or let's better say main profile. also you can play 360 games at demo stations, your friends place or any other possible place without using any of your own profiles.

[eastyy]

I really hate the summer drought for games.

Thankfully there are still going to be some decent japanese releases soon (such as melty blood)

[Yoshimax]

Thought we'd take this from the start again.

Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Oblivion and now Prey are some the best games from the still small line up of 360 games. but at the same time their PC counterparts are technically superior and cost up to 30% less.

CoD2 - Superb Game one of the best sellers on 360 at launch (75ish% attachment rate)

Nothing superior about the PC version other than more players online it runs silky smooth 60fps on my 360.

Oblivion is an acquired taste but is exceptional - If it's technically superior on PC then it's comfort/convenience superior on the 360. My mate has a PC which cost somewhere in the region of ?2k and I've seen oblivion running on it - nothing much to write home about above the 360 version in HD bar some resolution increase which is to be expected when you're running 2 state of the art SLI'd cards.

GRAW we've agreed is a slightly different game but I think the specs to get it running similarly on a PC say it all.

Quake 4 and Prey are **** regardless of platform. The Doom3 engine is **** for FPS apart from looking nice so this is an argument for another thread.

the one and only supposed killer-application Halo 3 is still a year away.

**** mate - Who said it was the "one and only" killer app ? You ? Your mates ? I'm counting GoW, Forza 2, Halo3, The Darkness, GTAIV and the significant other titles we don't know about yet.

i have friends who already gave up on the 360 because of this fact and invested some of their saved money in better PCs or hardware upgrades.

is the PC strong on the rise again and does this implicate the decline or even the fall of the still young 360?

Bloody hell that was pretty daft of your mates - The money from a 360 won't exactly keep a PC buoyant for long - Come Crysis they'll all be handing over even more money.

Decline or fall of the 360 ? Now you're just being sensationalist in the hope of provoking reaction (which does appear to have worked).

You can't really say the PC is "strong on the rise again" as it was NEVER strong in the first place - for gaming the PC has ALWAYS come behind consoles and always will do.

Vista might make things a bit better for you (you can get involved with what us 360 people have been doing for >12 months) but it will never, ever reach the plateau that videogame console occupy.

[charlesr]

I thought PC game sales matched all the consoles added together? Or has that changed now? This was a few years ago. I don't really follow sales any more.

[Yoshimax]

Me neither but I'm pretty sure if you take the value of the PC games market and compare it to the value of the console games market there'd be a huge difference.

How much revenue did Halo2 generate ? I bet Doom3, Far Cry and Quake 4 added together couldn't even match it.

Likewise GT3 on PS2 or (to be vastly unfair) GTA:LC or SA - in terms of revenue generated on the respective platforms I'd imagine there's a huge gulf.

[Brats]

Brats, do you really think you can tell for sure from my XBL profile what or how many 360-games i've played? you are kidding, right?

That's exactly what I'm saying. The profile tells no lies, even games you play offline will register once you go online. Why on earth would anyone have a second profile to play games that they never play on their own profile. Your comments about demo pods are ridiculous. You can't have a thorough opinion on a game from a demo? It's like listening to someone's opinion on a film from the trailer.

also, what are you trying to say or prove here? that the 360 has a hell of a great range of exclusive games and that i must be an uninformed lier?

I'm merely calling you out on your claim about the 360's exclusive line up, a claim that went much further than just your own opinion to the point where you were implying that categorically the 360 had a poor line up.

please understand that there are gamers out there with different tastes and who don't need to play through games completely just to get to know wether they like them or not.

You misunderstand. I completely get that and the clearly 360's line up is not going to be for everyone. However, I'd expect someone with such base assumptions towards other people's tastes to have a thorough knowledge of the games.