Ps3 upscaling ps1 & ps2 games!

[Mad Gear]

Just tried a couple over component.
FFXII - Just as wombling free said. Nasty.
GT4 - Hey i can play this at last as my chipped PS2 wouldn't. Doesn't look any better than it did on my PS2 via RGB scart.

Hmmm, need to try a few more.

[englishbob]

Erm my PS3 displays all ps2 games in 480p via component..

8)

Sounds promising. My machine is en-route from the US. Do Blu-Ray discs output at 720p over component?

[womblingfree]

Just tried a couple over component.
FFXII - Just as wombling free said. Nasty.

Oh dear, that means it looks awful over component as well as HDMI

[Salsa Party Animal]

Can you tell us if PS3 480P output is nicer than PS2 output. I want more graphics output similar to XBOX 360 / DC / GC rather than XBOX or PS2. Just like to know.

[jide]

Sounds promising. My machine is en-route from the US. Do Blu-Ray discs output at 720p over component?

Yes they do. I think 1080p is possible through component on games but not movies I believe..

Its what the manual says anyway..

[jide]

Can you tell us if PS3 480P output is nicer than PS2 output. I want more graphics output similar to XBOX 360 / DC / GC rather than XBOX or PS2. Just like to know.

It doesn't, to be honest. Because the game is 480i : Of course games which are 480p will look more or less the same.

Infact I think some games look a bit horrible when they're forced in 480p. Hopefully with a new firmware update you can change the res of PS1/PS2/PS3 games indivuallly.

[sj33]

Is there a difference between games being forced intp 480p by the machine, and games which are 480p native? Can you enable the games 480p native mode over HDMI (this is usually only selectable if a Component cable is inserted)?

[Ciaran]

Taken from another site:

What is known: That a majority of the games affected are games that do not have 480p coded into them. It SEEMS that 480i only games are the ones exhibiting this glitch the most. Changing cables from HDMI to component to composite cables does not rectify the issue. Changing to a non-HD TV without scalers does not fix the issue either. Firmware upgrade 1.30 does not address the issue.
Please list all games tested that exhibit this problem and if you can, post screen shots of what the game looks like on a PS2 and what it looks like on PS3 coming from the SAME CABLE AND TV.


Here are some examples of the issue. The most obvious offender is Final Fantasy XII.


Final Fantasy XII running on PS2:




NOW, Here is the game running on the SAME CABLE to the SAME TV with the SAME OUTPUT RESOLUTIONS SETTINGS on the PS3:




Metal Gear Solid 2 on PS2 (some jaggies but still decent)



Metal Gear Solid 2 on PS3 (take a look at the stairway railings!)



Here is the Kojima logo from Metal Gear Solid 3 on PS2



And here is the same logo on the PS3 (holy jaggies!)



Here is a screen from Final Fantasy X on PS2



And the same logo from Final Fantasy X coming from the PS3






As you see people there is a problem. here is a great post describing what it is.

"From what I can tell, there are very noticable "Verticle seams" in the output of PS2 games on the PS3. The seams are evenly spaced, and any polygon that passes through a "seam" has pixels shifted/ghosted/mirrored to the left. This ghosting results in extreme jaggies or "mirrored" pixels. On the FF-XII pictures earlier in the thread, you can see both effects. I have also noticed that certain horizontal scanlines experience an interlacing effect that causes a lot of flicker. In Final Fantasy XII, you can see certain letters flicker (lower case e, a, o for example).

[J0e Musashi]

I take it you are HDMI'ing. I can only use component, so I am expecting **** all above 480i for just about everything (PS3 games and Blu-Ray)

PS3 can't run 720p via component?

Also, can't you plug in both a HDMI and a component cable, and play ps1/2 via component and ps3 via hdmi?

[jide]

Yes it can...

Set it up in your display settings...

[Geezer]

Post about a possible future solution if Sony can pull their finger out.

Wow, I just read through a huge thread on the official PS3 forums about the PS2 problems on the PS3. It seems a handful of guys there (a couple of 'em with tech degrees) have actually figured out the problem, and believe full well that it can be alleviated via a firmware update.
Basically, it only affects games that output at 480i (the vast majority of PS2 games, though PSone titles aren't affected as they output at a lower res, and neither are PS2 titles that have a progressive scan mode, like SoTC or SOCOM), because the RSX is incapable of displaying an interlaced image. What this means is that there is software in the PS3 that deinterlaces the image from EE+GS, and then outputs. What the guys have figured out, is that the RSX displays pixels in 'quads', which is four groups of four (16 total). There is a glitch in the software that is causing the first 'quad' to be flipped horizontally, which over the whole image, causes the jagged look.

There are a ****ton of zoomed in pics where they prove the theory, and since it can't be a hardware issue (as RSX can't output an interlaced image, it has to convert) they're all hoping Sony will eventually fix the glitch. I've really paraphrased everything here, so if you want more details, check out the thread. It's like 30 pages though, so be warned.

As for me and FFXII, I've hooked my PS2 back up, and I'm going to stick with that for now. Hopefully this issue is fixed sooner rather than later, as my entertainment center looks a lot nicer with just the one system.

[in5ane]

Holy Flirking Schmit thats ugly. I can't believe Sony let the PS3 out the door with PS2 games looking like that

[quexex]

Has some one tried this with the 'standard NTSC' (this should be 480i)setting in video settings if so does it have the same issues.

[Geezer]

Is there a difference between games being forced intp 480p by the machine, and games which are 480p native? Can you enable the games 480p native mode over HDMI (this is usually only selectable if a Component cable is inserted)?

I recieved the asian version of Resi 4 today, enabling 480p in the game makes it look much nicer than the PS3 forcing it.

I took a couple of menu shots, the first one is the PS3 forcing it, the second is after booting with triangle and X held down for 480p.

Even though I've had to resize the pics to fit in with the forums limits, the difference is still very pronounced. Note in particular the hair, face, jacket, belt and trouser detail. (i.e. just about everything )

[Gaol]

Even though I've had to resize the pics to fit in with the forums limits, the difference is still very pronounced.

Good pics.. there is a good thread on Neogaf about this issue which suggests that the problem is the scaling of non-standard resolutions in 480i; so eg. FFXII and many Japanese games are actually in a 512X512 resolution and suffer badly when mapped to a progressive 480p display (or something, I'm no techie ).

I hope they can fix it via a firmware update as backwards compatibility with US Squenix PS2 titles was a big part of the reason I imported.

EDIT: Here it is: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131102