VC reviews - Pal yay-or-nay?

[Atticus]

Apologies if this has already been covered but I seem to remember the VC reviews contained a valuable summary of whether the Pal version was a good one or a no-no. Now I'm ready to buy some titles I went back and they no longer have the info

I'd love to think the dodgy Pal issues had been sorted but I think that's just wishful thinking.

Any idea where I can find out about VC Pal tips?

[AllYourBase]

We don't carry that info any more. It just gets a lot of Euro gamers backs up.

You can check on wiki here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._games_(Europe)

[Atticus]

Cheers

[watusi]

Can't get this working for me, maybe i'm just being thick. I've gone into the available now list, and filtered by EU region. But can't seem to see any info in the reviews about speed/borderds.

[Atticus]

Sorry to bump this but is their a resource anyone currently uses* or am I better off starting a thread with a list of the games I want and getting advice from other Pal Wii forun users?














* assuming nothing has changed since summer (Nintendo has sorted the pal/ntsc issues out)

[bcass]

We don't carry that info any more. It just gets a lot of Euro gamers backs up.

Amazing. So they think the problems will just go away if everyone pretends that the problems don't exist? Incredible mentality. With an attitude like that, PAL gamers get everything they deserve.

[elkatas]

Amazing. So they think the problems will just go away if everyone pretends that the problems don't exist?

It is more the usual elitistic and arrogant tone that pisses people off. When most "informative" posts about the problem are comparable to "Lol, lol, u are soo ***king stupid cuz u have PAL Wii.", it is not big surprise that people are pissed. Furthermore, most people don't even care that PAL-games run on 50hz, and most probably prefer it, because it is closer to experience they got during their childhood.

[C']

Not the old "childhood experiences" argument again.

Is that the same reason why Neo Geo games run at 50hz on a PAL Wii? All those people reminiscing on their childhoods where they paid £200 per game cartridge.

Just wondering who this "most people" are. Has it been surveyed? I suspect that if most people "prefer it" it's more down to not really knowing either way and if the games had been offered in 60hz and different from the "experience they got during their childhood" they wouldn't know any better either.

[elkatas]

Just wondering who this "most people" are. Has it been surveyed?

Considering that highly advertised 60hz PAL VC petition that was spread around European Nintendo sites got only around 1500 names, you could say that most people don't care, even after whole situation was told with pictures and youtube videos.

if the games had been offered in 60hz and different from the "experience they got during their childhood" they wouldn't know any better either.

Not true. For example, when playing NTSC Batman for first time, I noticed how game was way too fast. In fact, it felt practically unplayable. And that was many years before I even cared or understood difference between 50hz and 60hz.

[bcass]

I think the idea that 60Hz games play too fast is verging on the more than slightly ridiculous...

[elkatas]

I think the idea that 60Hz games play too fast is verging on the more than slightly ridiculous...

Well, it usually is, but Batman is extreme case, because NTSC version is really, really fast. The point was just that difference is noticiable, and it will cause complaints.

[C']

Considering that highly advertised 60hz PAL VC petition that was spread around European Nintendo sites got only around 1500 names, you could say that most people don't care, even after whole situation was told with pictures and youtube videos.

I think it's a bit of a leap to go from people "not caring" to people that "prefer it". I'm not arguing that the average Wii user aren't that bothered. I'm wagering that they don't have a preference either way.

Obviously it's all supposition, but in a hypothetical situation where Nintendo offered 60hz versions of everything and a petition was made complaining that they weren't "faithful versions from our childhood". Do you really think the numbers who signed up would be much different?

Obviosly an ideal situation would be making it user selectable.

[C']

I think the idea that 60Hz games play too fast is verging on the more than slightly ridiculous...

Agreed. At the end of the day, the 50hz games are not running as the developer intended and that is why I think Nintendo should have updated things.

Thankfully most publishers/hardware manufacturers have cottoned on to this and 60hz on current releases is almost uniform, but the Virtual Console is stuck in dark ages.

[Atticus]

I thought the pal take in the VC reviews was a valuable addition. For me, some games due to their nature won't suffer too much from a straight up pal (con)version ... whereas others it would be a bing no-no.

For instance ... I could play a pal ver Super Metroid ... but a pal F-Zero or Waverave 64 would be a no-no.

Knowing if certain games have been optomised or not prior to downloading is very important to me, yet the subject seems almost taboo (something I could understand if I was posting on pal-uk.com ).

[bcass]

Indeed. The idea that you can't discuss the shortcomings of PAL titles is preposterous, and shows PAL owners to be just as, if not more so, elitist than 60Hz-purists.