Do you reckon we'll be playing todays games in 10 years?

[dataDave]

I've never understood Chrono Trigger, I'd go as far as saying it's pretty turd. Mind, I never bought the US SNES version meaning it didn't come with the "£100 OMFG this game is ACEerz!" tag attached. Chrono Cross I loved however (and will play again one day probably) when everyone slated it.

Right now there is very little I'll be playing in ten years. The most recent game in my sturdy (ie never to be sold on) collection is Resident Evil 4 (no it's not, it's Twilight Princess). Everything else since then has either been a retro purchase or sold on when I'm skint.

[Dogg Thang]

Remember how amazing Resident Evil looked on the PS1 in 1996? Now it looks like fuzzy lego, and couldn't scare a mouse.

And yet still being released and played. Not exactly a great example.

[112]

When you guys say that FF7 and Chrono cross will age well with time are you playing them at teh moment or recollecting from memory because i started playing some old RPGs, Chrono cross for that matter and FF7 a few years back and im struggling, because of the pace of teh game, the overall speed at which things happen on screen to how fast it takes me to move a character from A to B. And it makes me want to play current gen stuff so i can spend more time playing than waiting.

I dont know, but maybe im maturing with the type of games we get today, but some of teh technical limitations we used to put up with a decade ago seems unbearable in moderna day gaming.

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[Brats]

I played FFVI last year and still found it as good as ever. I must admit I haven't played Chrono Trigger for years, but I played some Secret of Mana and it was still superb. Zelda LTTP too.

However, a lot of games do suffer with their pacing compared to more modern titles. I think this is actually the biggest area where old games can suffer, not the technical limiations but the subtle changes in the way games play. I found this with Goldeneye recently, that it wasn't the frame rate that got to me, just the pace at the way the thing played I found really hard to get used to again.

Oh and Chrono Cross is a fantastic game.

[Swallow]

Wanna sell me a copy Brats?

[dogen]

When you guys say that FF7 and Chrono cross will age well with time are you playing them at teh moment or recollecting from memory because i started playing some old RPGs, Chrono cross for that matter and FF7 a few years back and im struggling, because of the pace of teh game, the overall speed at which things happen on screen to how fast it takes me to move a character from A to B. And it makes me want to play current gen stuff so i can spend more time playing than waiting.

I know dick about RPG's really, so the traditions and expected pacing I'm unaware of. I just don't have the experiance as I've only played a handfull in my time, and Final Fantasy X was my first. But I played through Final Fantasy 7 for the first time late last year, and I was pretty impressed with how it handled itself, given it's age.

I mean, it looks like turd, and for me the storytelling was sometimes difficult and unclear, but it was a lot of fun to play. So for me, it held up where it matters I guess.

[boxhead]

I can't wait to play god of war 2 again in ten years time. Admittedly, I can't be bothered playing it now but come late july 2017 it will be a completely different story.

I can't wait actually. does anyone have an exact release date for the downloadable god of war 2?

[Malc]

I think racing games will age more badly, and we'll not have much desire to go back, other than nostalgia.

As with the progression of cars, the racing games will allways have to update. Even with motoGP, Given a choice to play 2005 season or the new 2007 season, I'd choose the most recent.

[Ady]

Chrono Cross I loved however (and will play again one day probably) when everyone slated it.

I liked Chrono Cross as well. The combat system was genius and the music was excellent.

Okami and Wind Waker will age well, I think.

[Dogg Thang]

I think racing games will age more badly, and we'll not have much desire to go back, other than nostalgia.

I think you're right. Adventure or action type games usually have a plot/characters/tone or whatever that is unique to them. So they are rarely made redundant by the next iteration.

Racing games, however, are often made completely redundant by sequels and just better racing games. Sometimes fighting games too (I mean, does anyone ever go back to the first VF game for more than 30 seconds?).

When the PS1 emulator came out for the PSP, I put on Gran Turismo. Turd. Ridge Racer. Turd made even more laughable that the DS version which was still pretty recent had the same godawful handling we once thought was acceptable. R4 offered a little more and that I think is because not only was the handling getting much better at that point but, more importantly, the game has a character all of its own. That's what I think it will take for a racing game to be worth going back to.

Like the Wipeout games or Mario Kart.

[Leon Retro]

And yet still being released and played. Not exactly a great example.

A very good example, if you're a level-headed gamer.

I've read many people make the same point as me regarding RE-PS1, and similar old 3D titles.

It is a fact that RE-PS1 looks like a joke now, and can no longer rely on the techincal wow-factor it had at the time.


Point&Click stuff from Lucasarts are probably still good, but not many of the 3D story driven titles are nice experiences; simply because blocky visuals are enough to spoil any worth a game has.

On the whole though, it's games that have no strong story, and are totally abstract, like Bishi Bashi, Rez etc... that stand the test of time.

I can't imagine a time when Rainbow Islands becomes a bad experience. Even in a million years from now, I think people would discover it, and think " This is a nice, enjoyable game "

The only retro games I cherish and collect are the more original/abstract titles. I find the old tech-driven titles, and 3D games on the whole, to be horrible experiences these days.

[Brats]

Point&Click stuff from Lucasarts are probably still good, but not many of the 3D story driven titles are nice experiences; simply because blocky visuals are enough to spoil any worth a game has.

You'd have to be a pretty shallow person to allow that to happen. Blocky visuals aside, I still enjoy the N64 Zeldas and a lot of the PSone RPGs.

As for stuff around today, stuff like Windwaker isn't going to date. It isn't just all 2D abstract stuff alone that will be played in years to come.

[J0e Musashi]

There were plenty of rubbish games 10 years ago. Plenty of them. There will always be rubbish games.

[Dogg Thang]

A very good example, if you're a level-headed gamer.

I've read many people make the same point as me regarding RE-PS1, and similar old 3D titles.

It is a fact that RE-PS1 looks like a joke now, and can no longer rely on the techincal wow-factor it had at the time.

There is so much wrong with this. Let's start at the beginning. Your first sentence is a childish attempt to embarrass people into agreeing with your opinion that ha no relation to the actual discussion. It's like George Bush saying "bombing small countries is good, if you don't hate freedom". It's a sorry attempt at justification.

So we can disregard that.

The second sentence plays the "well my buddies think the same" card. Again, totally utterly irrelevant. And if you need the support of your buddies to validate your opinion, you probably don't fall into the 'level-headed gamer' category in your first sentence (see what I did there?).

So that leaves us with the two-part last sentence here. "It is a fact that RE-1 looks like a joke now." I'm not so sure that can be a 'fact' as we're talking asthetics here. It certainly doesn't look as good as it once did. Nor do most games brought up in this thread.

Which brings us to the one part that can be taken as truth - that the game "can no longer rely on the techincal wow-factor it had at the time."

Well done. You've proven that games don't look as good as they used to!


What you didn't in any shape or form counter is that RE1 has been rereleased in many forms, recently enough on the DS, and is still an enjoyable game. Oddly enough, in spite of what your buddies say, I'm guessing someone must still be buying it. I'm wondering if you checked the First Play thread for the DS version here, would you find some 'level-headed gamers' there discussing it? Who knows. RE1 doesn't have the wow factor it once had. There is more to a game than the technicalities and certainly more to RE.

[Kubrick]

I disagree about racing games being made redundant. Mediocre ones like DiRT, Need For Speed etc - which are never great to begin with - will quickly be forgotten and easily surpassed. Games like those don't even stand up to close scrutiny on the day of release, never mind in 10 years time, but genuine quality will always stay the distance whether graphics become better or not.

Untill Forza 2 arrived on the scene a couple of months ago, I still considered a 1999 game (F355 Challenge) to be the benchmark "serious" racer for consoles. IMO, its only recently been surpassed after 7 or 8 years on top despite numerous PGRs, GTs and whatever else you care to mention. I can see Forza 2 enjoying another long run as the one to beat for pure driver appeal.

Ridge Racer is another. It's arguably still the best arcade racer you can play these days, and - shinier graphics apart - it hasn't changed one bit since 1993. Actually, I'd say all the best examples of arcade racers are still games from the 90s - Sega Rally, Daytona etc. I'd rather play these than pretenders like Burnout.