PlayStation Move

[J0e Musashi]

Natal can **** right off. Playing games without a control pad is HERESY.

[JP]

As this seems to now be a Move/Natal thread I thought I'd post this here. Some new info has apparently been released by Microsoft yesterday which seems to suggets that people are going to need to be 4 meters away from the camera for it to work at it's optimum.

I italicised the word apparently as the article is based on information obtained from Microsoft rather than being directly from them and it just sounds a bit daft to me. I know when they usually show people playing the red ball game they are around that distance away but I'm hoping it's just because they are early versions which will improve before release as having to stand 4 meters away certainly won't be suitable for my house.

http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/23/natal-report-youll-want-to-clear-4-metres-of-space-from-the-screen/

[rubans]

As this seems to now be a Move/Natal thread I thought I'd post this here. Some new info has apparently been released by Microsoft yesterday which seems to suggets that people are going to need to be 4 meters away from the camera for it to work at it's optimum.

I italicised the word apparently as the article is based on information obtained from Microsoft rather than being directly from them and it just sounds a bit daft to me. I know when they usually show people playing the red ball game they are around that distance away but I'm hoping it's just because they are early versions which will improve before release as having to stand 4 meters away certainly won't be suitable for my house.

http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/23/nata...om-the-screen/

Good idea, why not just edit the title of this one since every post almost has a reference to Natal already

[Flabio]

I think thats a misinterpretation. What they're actually saying is that the maximum range of the camera is 4m. Not that you have to stand 4m away.

[Brad]

It's actually 48 points on 1 person.

Either the XBox Communications director has got her facts wrong or they've upped that in the last month then (or you are wrong):

http://techland.com/2010/02/19/in-which-we-demo-project-natal/

1 and a half minutes in she specifies 11 points.

Can anyone clarify?

[rubans]

Either the XBox Communications director has got her facts wrong or they've upped that in the last month then (or you are wrong):

http://techland.com/2010/02/19/in-which-we-demo-project-natal/

1 and a half minutes in she specifies 11 points.

Can anyone clarify?

48 according to recent demo

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-02/25/microsoft's-project-natal-is-go.aspx

[EvilBoris]

Dunno but Natal Project Director Alex Kipman said 48 at E3 for burnout

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Essentially we do a 3D body scan of you. We graph 48 joints in your body and then those 48 joints are tracked in real-time, at 30 frames per second. So several for your head, shoulders, elbows, hands, feet...

Perhaps there is an 11 point tracking system for "up to 4 player" aswell as a more comprehensive 48 points version?

[Brad]

Or perhaps 48 points was when they were putting a processor in the camera and now it's been scaled back? Who knows!?

[Number45]

Good idea, why not just edit the title of this one since every post almost has a reference to Natal already

Sensible comparisons of the competing technologies are OK in this thread (And the Natal thread), but we should still have separate threads for each.

[JP]

I think thats a misinterpretation. What they're actually saying is that the maximum range of the camera is 4m. Not that you have to stand 4m away.

I think it's unlikely to be true to be honest, purely due to the reason that Microsoft would surely realise that it's going to prohibit use for some people.

It's been suggested elsewhere that what Craig Mundie (Microsoft?s Chief of Research) is suggesting with that figure is that due to the technology being used which requires a fairly narrow aperture on the cameras you do need to be 13ft away to get a standing adult in the frame.

I'm not sure myself though as there's been so few facts released to the public so people are having to create their own information from all the disparate facts that are out there.

Hopefully there will finally be some solid facts for both systems at E3 though as both companies are going to have to start selling these concepts to their public pretty soon.

I'm still not really convinced by either Move or Natal but I'm not going to be anything but open minded about both until they give me a reason to be disappointed with them.

I find the two systems to be almost completely unrelated though.

With Move it's essentially just a different shaped controller and I can quite imagine playing some games with it already. Until I see it in action with games that I'm interested in and know that it works well it's little more than an interesting idea.

Natal seems very different to me, I really can't imagine myself playing games with it but with the videos they've shown so far there's nothing when it comes to control that excites me about it. I've found the videos they've shown to be pretty awful and I find it very easy to lose interest in anything at all that Peter Molyneux sounds enthusiastic about.

What does excite me about Natal though is it's apparent ability to read people's emotions. I don't know how well it's going to work or even if there are developers who will be able to incorporate it in a game and make it really do something but I'd very much like it to work well.

In the end though, even if both of these projects fail miserably it's not going to affected me in any way. I certainly won't buy them and I'll still be able to play the games that I want to play right now.

Although there has been quite a bit of negativity from some areas for both of the projects which I can understand, in all honestly I'm really glad that both of these companies are willing to invest and take risks on projects such as these. If people don't want the hardware it's the easiest thing in the world to not buy it so no harm done.

[spinpug666]

Anyone remember the bit on Bbc Watchdog about Xbox360s' scratching discs because of all the jumping about people were doing while playing Guitar Hero?
I bet this is gonna happen all over again with people leaping about when using Natal.

[Ady]

What concerns me about this is that it is essentially a peripheral, whereas the Wii offers motion-based gaming out of the box.

To play Move, existing PS3 owners will need to shell out for all the extras, which is likely to fragment the market between those that have Move and those that don't. PS3 developers are going to need to be certain there is a big enough uptake before spending money making games for a small portion of the machine's market.

Sony needs to launch with something that really distinguishes itself from the Wii (beyond theory and tech demos) to really encourage anybody to buy into this. MS' Natal, OTOH is at least attempting to put a unique slant on motion-based play rather than simply copying and tweaking the Wii remote.

I wonder when Sony's balance board "variant" will come out?

[Family Fry]

Also wouldn't Move tip the balance of the playing field online?
Me on Socom with pad Vs You on Move, quicker reaction time and accuracy with Mover over a traditional pad this has to be a concern surely?

[Brad]

Good point. I imagine they'll allow you to choose to filter out games that have people using Move maybe?

[Darwock]

The cynic in me says they wouldn't just to encourage everybody to buy one for themselves...