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I know I'm not really the whale they're looking for, but I don't really like the Game Pass model.
To play online, I have to have Gold/PS+ (plus historically you needed them to stream stuff, but I think that's all history now).
I pay a set price to be able to play online and chat to friends (IIRC Microsoft used to charge, not sure nowadays, but you've never needed PS+ to chat on a PlayStation. I assume that hasn't changed with PS5.)
With that online pass, I'm also given a few games each month. Some I'll play, most I won't, but it's a nice bonus.
Personally, I like to buy games when they're in a sale for around a fiver. They're mine (usual online "ownership" caveats applied) to play if I'm subbed or not.
Having a library of loads of games just doesn't work for me. I got Game Pass for £1 again recently - I played SoR4 again and failed to play Lost Planet 2 in time. For me, it's just not good value. I like having a small, focussed library.
HOWEVER, I can understand why some people like it. It would just be nice if Sony keep the option for PS+ rather than it's PS++ for a higher price or nothing.
EDIT: If it let me play Gradius V in HD, I'd snap their hands off!
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If they don't make these back compat games run natively on my PS5 and I have to stream them, they can kiss a larger sub from me goodbye. I mean, I can play all the PS1, 2, 3 and P games I want on original hardware so it doesn't really bother a big cool boy like me there is no way I'm playing a streaming video of a game.
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They're probably looking at GPU and thinking that they're currently leaving money on the table by only charging £50 for PS+, when it's clear that customers are willing to pay more to get more when it comes to game subscription services.
Without launching a full scale GPU competitor, there's plenty of room between the £50 PS+ pricepoint and the £135 GPU one for them to slide in with an ~£80 offering which expands the basic tier of PS+ with more available software.
It's almost like they made The Forbidden Comparison at Sony HQ and compared PS+ to GPU (although I bet most of the people in the meeting were totally non-plussed and were like - 'What are you saying?! You can't compare them! They're totally different!'). Teehee
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Originally posted by wakka View PostThey're probably looking at GPU and thinking that they're currently leaving money on the table by only charging £50 for PS+, when it's clear that customers are willing to pay more to get more when it comes to game subscription services.
Without launching a full scale GPU competitor, there's plenty of room between the £50 PS+ pricepoint and the £135 GPU one for them to slide in with an ~£80 offering which expands the basic tier of PS+ with more available software.
It's almost like they made The Forbidden Comparison at Sony HQ and compared PS+ to GPU (although I bet most of the people in the meeting were totally non-plussed and were like - 'What are you saying?! You can't compare them! They're totally different!'). Teehee
what i find interesting is how short some gamepass games stay on the service though, Red dead Redemption and GTA5 are not on the service anymore, and then their where a few indie games that i saw added to gamepass and thought looked interesting that where surprising absent from library when i subscribed, Untitled goose game, Celeste, The Touryst, and Carto have all been removed sadly.Last edited by Lebowski; 06-12-2021, 15:07.
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Yeah, it's a good point. As a service it's built its rep on quality curation as much as anything else. It's not really been the MS AAAs that have done the business. Most of the ones in the Bone era were just not great - State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, etc, I mean those are 6/10 games at best.
Again for me that just shows that Sony could be pulling their socks up more with PS+, which this mooted PS++ sounds like they might be. There's room for it to be better and more expansive, without leaping to the extreme of giving away the family jewels of the first party games on day 1.
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Originally posted by wakka View PostYeah, it's a good point. As a service it's built its rep on quality curation as much as anything else. It's not really been the MS AAAs that have done the business. Most of the ones in the Bone era were just not great - State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, etc, I mean those are 6/10 games at best.
Again for me that just shows that Sony could be pulling their socks up more with PS+, which this mooted PS++ sounds like they might be. There's room for it to be better and more expansive, without leaping to the extreme of giving away the family jewels of the first party games on day 1.
But if you bypassed the Xbox ecosystem for the past generation you've also got stuff like the entire Gears and Halo series on there and not just backwards compatible, but now running at 4K120 or 4K60 in most with auto HDR to boot.
Same goes for Fable, Ori and I guess most of the Bethesda titles now including Doom etc ...
The amount of backward compatible first party titles on there is pretty compelling and most have seen some upgrades.
I really hope Sony does similar with their back catalogue.
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Sony has been pretty poor on how previous generation stuff is handled.
The ps2 is the most successful console of all time, and you can only officially play a couple of dozen titles.
Most PS4 games don't have any frame rate improvements unless it has an unlocked FR to begin with.
MS blows it out of the water.
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Originally posted by nonny View PostI dunno... If you're focusing solely on new releases then yes, it's only just starting to see quality first party content with Flight Simulator, Psychonauts 2, Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite...
But if you bypassed the Xbox ecosystem for the past generation you've also got stuff like the entire Gears and Halo series on there and not just backwards compatible, but now running at 4K120 or 4K60 in most with auto HDR to boot.
Same goes for Fable, Ori and I guess most of the Bethesda titles now including Doom etc ...
The amount of backward compatible first party titles on there is pretty compelling and most have seen some upgrades.
I really hope Sony does similar with their back catalogue.
The point Lebowski was making, I think, is that Game Pass initially built a rep, during those fallow days of decent Xbox exclusives, on older games and well curated indies. A putative PS Plus Pass (say that fast three times) could do the same, without needing to lob the £70 AAAA titles on there day one too.
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whatever they are cooking up has to belter for me to fork out any extra cash, and unlike the xbox OG to 360, Ps1 and PSP is extremely easy to emulate and iso's very easy to get, they can be made to look quite good with shaders let alone all the texture mods/hacks to fix warping and add widescreen. Any value going to be in the Ps2/3 stuff, Ps2 emulation been stalled for years and ps3 a right hassle, both aren't great for accuracy either, but if it some sort of streaming service then... no thanks.
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