video games are dying

[JammyD]

Hey, at least it's getting easy to decide what to buy. 2004 should be a great year for gaming.

So much of what you're saying is true, Papercut, but I've given up caring about it. Just think about the games.

Half-Life 2
Deus Ex:IW
FFXI
Halo 2
Killer 7
Border Down
MGS3
Resi Online
Gregory Horror Show
Metal Slug 3 US http://ps2.ign.com/articles/453/453518p1.html
Broken Sword 3
Pro Evo 3
Tekki Online

[vic_viper]

So much infact, that it's the greatest, most exciting time to be a gamer.

I wouldn't go that far.

He's right you know. Today we have a better selection of games to choose from than we have ever had before. If you don't like games from today then you can always play something from last year or maybe even ten years ago. Gaming can only get better and better all the time as the choice increases.

[Mr Spew]

the dreamcast died.

THANK ****!

DC died because of arcade ports, horrible third party games (Capcom supported them well but most of their games were average to say the least), no killer RPGs (why didnt they update Phantasy Star and Shining Force?) so it did badly in Japan, unlike it's predecessor which did exactly the opposite sales wise world wide.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

No killer RPGs? What are you, some kind of PSX fanboy ****?

Hmm, let me think: Skies Of Arcadia - perhaps the best RPG of all time, and it has pirates, therefore: ace.

Grandia II - superior to the PS2 port, and a brilliant game.

PSO - no more needs to be said.

Loads of other JAP games too.

So you, sir, are wrong. A lot of the decent PS2 games have come from the ashes of the Dreamcast, such as those above, and Rez, Headhunter, Crazy Taxi etc etc.

I do believe gaming perhaps isn't as good as it once was (with all that hoo har about "original" games and such), but that's not to say that there aren't any good games anymore. As there are loads of astounding games out, and coming soon (see Halo 2, HL2, Kameo, XIII etc).

And the Dreamcast didn't do badly in Japan at all. If you think that, you're blind.

[Max M]

So much infact, that it's the greatest, most exciting time to be a gamer.

I wouldn't go that far.

He's right you know. Today we have a better selection of games to choose from than we have ever had before.

That's certainly debatable. Just because there's more multiformat shovelware filling up the shelves, doesn't mean there's as much quality. I'd say the 16bit days, the start of the 32/64bit generation and the Dreamcast's prime were far more exciting than at the moment.

[vic_viper]

Which ties in exactly with what i said in my full post.

Today we have the choice of everything thats been released recently + every game thats ever been released since gaming began. For that reason alone we have a better choice and more good games to play than at any other time in the history of videogames. The best thing is that its only going to get better as times goes along too.

[Ikaruga]

I think it's pretty damn exciting at the moment. I own all three current next-gen consoles, and the choice is unbelievable. I'm the one who can seperate the wheat from the chaff, becuase I know what I want to play. It's great, stop denying it.

The dreamcast was a wonderful machine, someone in the community once described it as the greatest feat of videogaming engineering ever developed, and for it, a work of art. I would agree, but not on the behalf of the machines arcitechture, rather on the side of the amount of games released that not only changed the face of gaming, but redefined what videogames meant for an entire generation, much like the Playstation before it, but with ten times more style and elegance. It's a shame the machine has died in the eyes of the mainstream, but **** them - what doe they know of the delights to be found in Ikaruga/Border Down/KOF2002?

[Moodmon]

We need less games like Wolverines Revenge and more games like Ikaruga/Monkey Ball/Rez.

No, we need games like Wolverine's Revenge to be better. Then no-one would moan. Well, ish.

[PeteBrant]

We need less games like Wolverines Revenge and more games like Ikaruga/Monkey Ball/Rez.

No, we need games like Wolverine's Revenge to be better. Then no-one would moan. Well, ish.

Quite.

If all of the sudden monkey ball clones started cropping all over the place, you'll get a glut of substandard efforts, i.e. the Tomb Raider syndrome and third person games.

Have your mainstream, and your niche, just like it is now, works very well.

[Ady]

the dreamcast died.

THANK ****!

DC died because of arcade ports, horrible third party games (Capcom supported them well but most of their games were average to say the least), no killer RPGs (why didnt they update Phantasy Star and Shining Force?) so it did badly in Japan, unlike it's predecessor which did exactly the opposite sales wise world wide.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

No killer RPGs? What are you, some kind of PSX fanboy ****?.

You have to ask? What did you think he was, reasoned and well-informed?

[ZeroRisk]

True, it seems whenever the words 'dream' and 'cast' are in the same sentance together, our friend Razz can't help but start bashing it.

At the end of the day the DC was and still is a great console so stop acting up!

Gaming is cool at the moment. I'm enjoying myself but maybe that's because I hardly have the time to play them much now. I love my Xbox and DC and play them whenever I get a spare moment in-between shifts. Xbox Live really does it for me but I'm aware that it don't float everyone's boat.
The games that are out are enough to satisfy me and the games that are coming are making me moist! lol

Gaming will only get better as the hardware gets better. The industry is already doing better than the movie industry and that means that we will get better games in the future.

I love gaming at the moment and will continue to do so as long as the big companies keep making the games I like.

(Halo 2, PGR2, Toca online etc.)

[Ady]

True, it seems whenever the words 'dream' and 'cast' are in the same sentance together, our friend Razz can't help but start bashing it.

Indeed. Such is the nature of a troll...

Gaming will only get better as the hardware gets better. The industry is already doing better than the movie industry and that means that we will get better games in the future.

I don't agree with this. Superior hardware allows for :otentially:: better games but it all comes down to how the hardware is used. If it's just to produce established genres with more polygons then it's hardly an improvement.

Sometimes I feel hardware restraints allow for the best ideas as they force programmers to work within limitations. This was made the 8-bit computer days so interesting.; you wre genuinely gobsmacked when you faced a boss three screens high in Turrican on the C64 because the humble old 64 just wasn't meant to be able to do that...

[Prine]

nah, im loving todays form of videogaming, games for ?30-?40, more options for importing, increased interest in online/LAN gaming and best of all, games like Halo, Shenmue, MGS/MGS2, KOTOR, Zelda WW and GTA3. Its the best its ever been, and there's more to come

wicked 8)

[Razz]

the dreamcast died.

THANK ****!

DC died because of arcade ports, horrible third party games (Capcom supported them well but most of their games were average to say the least), no killer RPGs (why didnt they update Phantasy Star and Shining Force?) so it did badly in Japan, unlike it's predecessor which did exactly the opposite sales wise world wide.

Are you ****ing kidding me?



So you, sir, are wrong. A lot of the decent PS2 games have come from the ashes of the Dreamcast, such as those above, and Rez, Headhunter, Crazy Taxi etc etc.
And the Dreamcast didn't do badly in Japan at all. If you think that, you're blind.

I'm sorry but the DC did much worse than the Sega Saturn did in Japan.

Eternal Arcadia and Grandia 2 was not enough to attract gamers who specifically looked for RPGs. 2 games does not justify a purchase, unlike the Saturn which had the Shining Force 3 trilogy, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Sakura Taisen series (one of sega's most popular franchises in Japan), Dragon Force, Ogre battle, and many more.

I don't think you have any idea that the DC's best RPGs were infact Saturn ports of the Sakura Taisen games and a new addition to the excellent series, and clearly you have no idea just how huge and profitable the RPG market is. Sega did not take advantage (mainly due to lack of third party support from Namco, Konami etc) therefore resulting in poor sales.


This sir is a quote I would expect from gamefaqs:

No killer RPGs? What are you, some kind of PSX fanboy ****?

Hmm, let me think: Skies Of Arcadia - perhaps the best RPG of all time, and it has pirates, therefore: ace.

Grandia II - superior to the PS2 port, and a brilliant game.

PSO - no more needs to be said.

Loads of other JAP games too.

Not a fellow NTSC-uk forumite. Did you honestly think before posting that?

I look at your reply to me and think that you are the fanboy ****. You haven't even backed up your arguments in any respectable manner, all you have done is insulted my gaming knowledge, and tbh, I am insulted.
To call me a fanboy when all you're doing is getting defensive about the DC and spouting mis-informed **** at me is hypocrisy to say the least, since even the respectable DC fanboys know they lacked role playing games.

Please don't get me wrong, I too loved the DC at the time, but atleast I can admit to it's mistakes. Why can't you?

[vic_viper]

you are the fanboy ****

In years to come that will be regarded as highly as "all your base belong to us", i'm sure of it.

Please give me permission to use it in my signature.

[Ady]

I look at your reply to me and think that you are the fanboy ****. You haven't even backed up your arguments in any respectable manner, all you have done is insulted my gaming knowledge, and tbh, I am insulted.
To call me a fanboy when all you're doing is getting defensive about the DC and spouting mis-informed **** at me is hypocrisy to say the least, since even the respectable DC fanboys know they lacked role playing games.

Please don't get me wrong, I too loved the DC at the time, but atleast I can admit to it's mistakes. Why can't you?

In your first post, you loudly express thanks at the DC's death, and criticse it for it's "horrible" games, and now you say you loved it!

As such, I think his knee-jerk reaction to you is somewhat justified. You bought it on yourself, tbh.