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    I must add, i'm not going off the single format topic but feel it would be irrelevent if a single format machine arrived.
    The same games would still exist anyway.

    Nobody in the UK new any different when the VCS was around (itellivision aside - most here were to young to import the thing).
    We knew no better.
    The games producers would still have to make money and (in this scenario) would have to surcome to the fact that they either make games for that machine, or die.
    Sega did. They were left to produce games only, but they still release pup (18 Wheeler 2 for example).

    But their will never be a time when a console arrives and only hosts games that companies know will sell to the masses.
    Even if it did, i'd argue that as programmers would be fighting internally as there would only be one machine.
    There would be no other consumer choice.

    In theory with three/four formats, the companies know they can sell enough copies because a given genre is not well subsribed, so any slop will do.
    But if you ask the Ps2 fanbase, this has proved this not to be the case. The Ps2 still has slop released on it, even though every genre is well subsribed.
    Of course, big media licensing doesn't help, but this would not change.

    If you look at the arcades, companies used PCB's to produce their titles. General knowledge (and Mame) is testiment to the fact that many differents game genres were created.
    As tech moved on and companies made money, they were able to customise their boards, but for many years the PCB's ruled.
    All that changed were the games.

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      I think my sounding of the video games death knell was accurate (apart from the n-gage stuff, maybe).

      2004 has been a pretty uneventful year so far hasn't it?

      What have we had that has been truly great - Zelda 4 Swords and Psyvariar 2.

      Any other good game has been a competent but limited sequel... hopes ride with the Ninty DS, but it ain't looking too rosy right now.

      Since the advent of the Xbox and end of the Dreamcast, publishers have settled into a rut of passable licenses and sequels... and the Japanese aren't leading the way with originality any more.

      If Gradius V is the best this year can offer (and maybe it is, so far) perhaps it's time to fill the gaps in my snes back catalog right now...

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        True, so true PC. All of it, except perhaps the N-Gage bit.
        Oh, and dont forget to add to that list "Off-Disc-Content". Its on the rise sadly.

        But you dont have to tell me its all going bad, everyone knows Im a pessimistic cynic, even the reply to my GamesTM letter commented on it.
        Hell, Ive spent the past week playing Sega CD, with only Katamari Damashii to drag me away from my old games.



        See? Theres sadness in those eyes.

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          When the years past are compressed through either dementia or nostalgia, of course the past years are going to seem so much fuller and colourful.

          People were whinging like this when "Interactive Movies" came about, when Playstation came out &c.

          This year has been grand for me with Disgaea, KOTOR, finally finishing Ring of Red and not to mention Viewtiful Joe. Now we have the PSP, Gameboy whatever and Paper Mario 2 to look forward to.

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            Originally posted by Papercut
            namco are nothing.
            If it helps, Namco, thanks to their Time Crisis games have lured me away from my FPSs and Nintendo games to the joys of arcade gaming. All this and Ace Combat 5 looks well sexy. Long live Namco.

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              However much I might disagree with some of the original statements, it does make for interesting reading. Oh and btw, my DC is getting the most action and I just bought a spare for when it blows up

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                Originally posted by superkully
                People were whinging like this when "Interactive Movies" came about, when Playstation came out &c.
                The only true statement in the thread

                Those that think like the open comments of the thread should stop looking down their nose, pretending to be some hardcore... whatever.

                Just go play some stuff, plenty to see and do. If you're not happy with the state of gaming, it's your problem so **** off

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                  and enjoy a massive range of Retro games.

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                    Originally posted by Papercut
                    uk developers are going out of business with alarming regularity.
                    They always have, but they just seem to team up with each other and form more studios. Maybe they should make better games in the first place and then try not to overmilk it. I'm sure one of these names is a real developement company... Red Lemon, Big Dog, Meat Sausage, A1 Letter, Ganja Games, Funky Dread, Pornstar, Its Hit Games...

                    ea is the most successful global publisher of video games.
                    And? Coca Cola is the best selling drink in the world, it's full of crap and is bad for you but that doesn't stop millions buying it.

                    sega are talking about wanting to be the new ea.
                    They are making a start by becoming a publisher. Sports Interactive was a great signing. It's like Wayne Rooney signing for Nottingham Forest (once a great team, now struggling in Division 1, er the Championship).

                    the arcade industry is at deaths door.
                    It's been camping outside it like a shopper wanting to get the bargains at a harrods sale since 1983. It'll still be around when we are in our 40s and our kids are playing Grand Theft FIFA Mario - Sonic City.

                    the best selling title this christmas will probably be harry potter or gta double pack.
                    Surely GTA SA?

                    we will probably never see a shenmue III.
                    Maybe we will, I suppose it depends on how well Sega do in the future...

                    nintendo are treading water, the gamecube is still born.
                    Granted they don't have their >75% market share they had with the Famicom/NES but they are still going, they still have Pokemon but they need to find another game that'll generate over 50% of their revenue... Still they will be here for another 2 generations yet before deciding that being a publisher on the Sony Homestation is a great idea.

                    the n-gage will probably do well despite being ****.
                    It'll do okay before Sony Ericsson release a gaming phone in 2005.

                    online gaming hasn't gone anywhere since counter strike and pso.
                    You mean like Everquest, Ragnarok, etc or the success of Xbox live...

                    sony are the most successful console manufacturer.
                    They were the most successful manufacturer of the MSX computers too.

                    sony block the release of metal slug 3 in the states.
                    Awww diddums, still there is always the Japanese release...

                    sega have pimped their back catalog to a third party to make ends meet.
                    Like Nintendo have been doing for ages and like Taito have being doing for years?

                    the psp will destroy the gameboy.
                    Especially if you drop it on it... The PSP will do okay, depends on how the DS does. The UVD, or is that UFA or UVA or whatever discs don't exactly look like the greatest things to carry around, the nature of the machine and the discs will make the PS2 look like the most realiable in the machine ever with the Laser lasting 20 years...

                    we will probably never see a Rez 2.
                    And Rez was Panzer Dragoon with acid induced graphics and a dance track, I'm sure it'll get made.

                    being a video games fan is still a social stigma.
                    Nah it isn't, it's not the 80s anymore, being someone who has no interests outside of video gaming is a social stigma. I rather proclaim that I like Video games then say I spend evenings in a room with 7 other sweaty people rolling 20 sided dice playing fantasy games with a big breasted female character, no thats social stigma.

                    the best hope for future innovation lies with microsoft.
                    Well as long as Bill Gates finds good use for his money. It's either supporting the Japanese games industry with Yen or supporting good causes.

                    Namco are nothing.
                    Who?

                    Joke.. Namco have slid downhill a lot since they and Sega dominated the arcade industry, now it's just er Sega...

                    most ps2 owners buy whatever sony tells them to.
                    Nah, they buy what ever looks nice in the shop.

                    the dreamcast died.
                    No it hasn't. It still is supported in Japan. Wake up man.

                    the best games of the last 12 months have been inferior rehashes.
                    Er yeah probably right there, still there is the DS and PSP to look forward too and Mario 128 when Miyamoto gets the PR girlies off his crayons.

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                      No it hasn't. It still is supported in Japan. Wake up man.
                      According to you the Famicom is still going strong

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                        sega have pimped their back catalog to a third party to make ends meet.
                        What's this Acclaim logo doing on the front of my copies of Crazy Taxi and F355 again?

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                          Originally posted by Tom Salter
                          According to you the Famicom is still going strong
                          Probably selling more machines and games then the Gamecube is.

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                            the best selling title this christmas will probably be harry potter or gta double pack.
                            Surely GTA SA?
                            Look at the date, that was last Christmas.

                            online gaming hasn't gone anywhere since counter strike and pso.
                            You mean like Everquest, Ragnarok, etc or the success of Xbox live...
                            Console online gaming, it hasn't been taken up in the droves many people hoped.

                            being a video games fan is still a social stigma.
                            Nah it isn't, it's not the 80s anymore, being someone who has no interests outside of video gaming is a social stigma. I rather proclaim that I like Video games then say I spend evenings in a room with 7 other sweaty people rolling 20 sided dice playing fantasy games with a big breasted female character, no thats social stigma.
                            I disagree, to be a video game enthusiast gets you puzzled looks of pity. Most people would think games are ok as a mindless activity, but not a full on pasttime.

                            most ps2 owners buy whatever sony tells them to.
                            Nah, they buy what ever looks nice in the shop.
                            Thats the same thing (when you consider advertising and pos displays)! The point is, people are happy to read ops2 mag and buy whatever is on the cover.
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                              Originally posted by Commander Marklar
                              Those that think like the open comments of the thread should stop looking down their nose, pretending to be some hardcore... whatever.
                              Not looking down my nose, just interested in a discussion. I'm not pretending to be anything, I've just noticed a decline in interesting new games over the last year or two.

                              Originally posted by Commander Marklar
                              Just go play some stuff, plenty to see and do. If you're not happy with the state of gaming, it's your problem so **** off
                              Thats stupid - so we only discuss 'happy state-of-gaming' things? Were you drunk when you typed that?

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                                Doesnt ops2 mag sell to less than 10% of the ps2 owners in the uk ? So its hardly forcing ps2 owners to buy games in their droves.
                                As for console online gaming ive been on it since the beggining and its coming along, albeit slowly. Sony are the biggest dog but in europe at least they seem to not know what direction they want to go in.

                                I guess it all depends on your outlook really and what games you enjoy. Im quite happy with things at the moment especially with whats coming round this christmas. Sure only one or two can be described as 'new' and the rest are sequels but i dont think true originality in any field, not only videogames, has occured for a long long time.

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