Euclideon - Unlimited Detail Real-Time Rendering Technology

[Rossco]

Can't find a mention of this, has it been missed?

http://youtu.be/00gAbgBu8R4?hd=1

[Hohum]

Saw this yesterday - interesting, but find it hard to take the tech seriously when the guy voicing the vid sounds like he's straight out of some sort of comedy sketch. Petty, but still...

'UNLIMITED POWAH!!!'

[Flabio]

Most of the enginey types I know say it's all smoke and mirrors and that the company has been discredited before. One said if he saw one more person link it on facebook he'd have to go over and stab them.

(apparently it's the 'real time' nature of the tech that's in question, not whether you can make something that looks like that)

[charlesr]

Lots of atoms. That all look the same.

If they had shown someone navigating it in real time, it would have been more convincing. Still intriguing.

[Bort]

It's bull**** (the way they are selling it) to attract funding from foolish people.

Endless instancing and nothing but only the most basic animation. It could be used small individual elements but not enhance a whole gameworld to a quad-trillion times more detail like they are claiming.

[nem]

Endless instancing and nothing but only the most basic animation.

This

However, if you want to see something that's less of a sales pitch and more of a real world showcase of voxel technology, there's the Atomontage:



In short, voxels are awesome

[EvilBoris]

They don't ever mention the specification that is required to run said visuals.
Besides, it's all very well having a piece of dirt made of 400000000 atoms, but I imagine you have to record the location of each one of those atoms.
How much additional storage would it require to store a crazy detailed model of a tree vs a regular one?

Also, for a software developer, they have a ridiculously basic website.

EDIT
Just read an article commenting on the storage size, a rough estimation says that island would take approx
512 petabytes or storage to record the location of each atom. That's without colour and lighting information

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/8386977075/its-a-scam

[abigsmurf]

No evidence of it running in real time, no mention of memory usage, no demonstation of it being used in a practical manner (ie a simple game)... Yep, it's a scam to fleece investors.

[EvilBoris]

They've already been granted over a million AUD by some commission

[FelixofMars]

I didn't think that the actual poly count was much of an problem with modern engines within reason, its mostly getting it to fit in to memory (disc&RAM) and the fillrate.


It looks to me that they are using a different style of Lodding (the cloud rendering) and the actual ground models are higher than most people would be bothered about in a normal game the reason that stuff is lower quality is no one is paying that much attention to detail like that not because it couldn't be that detailed if it was required.


I like end of the demo they admit its only running 20 FPS with not even high quality lighting. And as it has been mentioned earlier no simulation (AI) or any real level of animation, and no other effects of Gameplay.

The Voxel stuff has been around for some time, a few games have even used it now. It is great stuff but sometimes visually looks ugly. It is really good at doing deformable landscapes stuff though.

[Rossco]

Interesting to hear peoples thoughts, I personally don't know what to think of it. Think it would be a fair few years until we see the demise of polygons completely anyway. It would have been so much better - if what they are trying to say is true - to take a current game or level, etc and replicate it with voxels to the highest standard possible while keeping the frame rate at 60fps. Then we would have had a direct comparison with say Crysis 2 DX11 level and what they are trying to do.

But they've came back a year later with this half arsed video and no proper art style to show it off. Look what Epic done with their DX11 Samaritan video. Something like that would have been much more useful but without it, makes you really doubt their credibility.

Felix, poly count is a problem when you compare with the likes of CGI movies. Hence tessellation, normal maps, etc are needed to fake geometry that isn't there. In theory, with this technique, there would be no need for that. Everything would be done with voxels. Purely modelling in voxels and texture painting on top.

[Neon Ignition]

The most depressing thing about those vids is advanced tech or not, they just aren't visually impressive

[briareos_kerensky]

No evidence of it running in real time, no mention of memory usage, no demonstation of it being used in a practical manner (ie a simple game)... Yep, it's a scam to fleece investors.

Euclideon was turned down by investors few years ago exactly for these reasons: memory management was troublesome, especially with animations.
Showing a technology is fine, but to have it adopted and/or financed you need to show a practical use of it.