Playstation 2 finally retired in Japan

[Colin]

The DC simply didn't have the games the mass market wanted to play.

I really can't agree with that one, the DC had some amazing stuff for the time that covered pretty much all bases.

[beecee]

I really can't agree with that one, the DC had some amazing stuff for the time that covered pretty much all bases.

Sonic, Tomb Raider, Daytona, Sega Rally, Rez, JSR... some other gems as well (snow surfers being my fave)...

back to the Ps2, i never had one, ( i chose the Xbox and the GC ) but i did pick up a couple of Ps2 games to play on my PS3 which itself was only bought as a Bluray player as it was the cheapest one by a mile at the time. with Rez and metal gear being the games.
and nevr actually playing them as well, maybe i just tired of Sony after the Ps1.

its had a very good innings and the inlaws have a PStwo sitting in a cupboard ready to be thrown out, so might sneak it a way to see what it was actually like.

[Anpanman]

back to the Ps2, i never had one,..

Same here, went DC to Xbox with a small detour to GC. Fancy a PS2 though and get hold of shed loads of stuff I missed out on.

[k0pp0]

I loved my PS2. Even more so when I whapped a HD in it, copied all my games on and lived blissfully disk free. Just a great console. I think my brother has one now as well, just for gran turismo.

[nakamura]

I really can't agree with that one, the DC had some amazing stuff for the time that covered pretty much all bases.

Agree with it or not, it is correct. I never said the DC didn't have quality but it certainly didn't have big hitters. Most multi-franchise games were ports and it had little or no support from the devs that mattered in the west.

No PES, no Fifa, no GTA, no Metal Gear, no Final Fantasy, no FPS games, no Madden. A lot of these franchises were system sellers at the time. DC did get Resident Evil Code Veronica but it wasn't Resident Evil 4.

I would imagine had most gamers from the Playstation generation would have enjoyed the DC but they wanted Playstation.

[Colin]

Just because the PS2 games were known franchises, it didn't make them better games, or have any more merit than the titles on the DC.

[nakamura]

Can you please point out where I said that?

[Colin]

Can you please point out where I said that?

You said the DC had no games the mass market wanted to play, then went on to back that up by saying -

No PES, no Fifa, no GTA, no Metal Gear, no Final Fantasy, no FPS games, no Madden. A lot of these franchises were system sellers at the time. DC did get Resident Evil Code Veronica but it wasn't Resident Evil 4.

Like tagging a brand name on to a game matters? I suppose that's why every FIFA, Call of Duty etc is of such a high standard. Simply being a known brand isn't a given for quality.

[nakamura]

I know that and you should know I know that! That is not what I said though. I said the public wanted those games, it was that simple and I remember the groans from us DC owners when the likes of EA chose not to support it. We knew the console would have a short life as a result.

Brands do sell though Colin. Fifa scores in the 9s every year and it still has so many crazy flaws. Call of Duty is a rubbish single player game now and survives on the online. These games are huge system sellers though and the DC didn't have the big system sellers. That is down to the public being ignorant to quality though and not down to the DC not having games that are worth owning the system for.

[Colin]

Yes, but your quote was....

The DC simply didn't have the games the mass market wanted to play.

Which it did, but the public just chose to ignore them due to our nations great sheep mentality of "Must buy whatever i'm told is cool........."

[nakamura]

Which means it didn't!! It's just the mass market are stupid!

[Colin]

You're not getting what i'm trying to say here, take the top games from the DC, if they had came out on PS2 instead they would have sold massively well in my opinion. It wasn't that the games weren't good enough, it was that people were system biased toward what was drilled in to them was the cool console to own. So the DC did have the games the public would play, but since they were on DC they were ignored.

[nakamura]

Well considering a lot of games were ported to PS2, Gamecube and Xbox and didn't sell that well i'm not so sure.

You could be right of course and many would have deserved to sell but look at the games that deserve to sell now and don't.

[wakka]

Do you reckon? Shenmue still would've bombed. The world wasn't ready. They'll never be ready.


:'(


Apart from that, Jet Set Radio was too weird and Japanese for most people, while arcade-style games like Crazy Taxi and House of the Dead had already lost a lot of popularity with the mainstream in favour of epics like MGS or Gran Turismo. Skies got rereleased on Cube and did alright but it didn't set the world alight. Soul Calibur was graphically very impressive and lots of fun, but would've gotten steamrollered by Tekken in this hypothetic situation we're spinning.

[Colin]

Ach i'm not going to derail this thread any further.