More fuel to the "Xbox division split" idea

[fishbowlhead]

Just give it up Duncan, you can't change back time, they did what they did and there now a MS devision, which even with good cash reserves would always of happened without a complete ecosystem. Which Nokia would never had achieved without their software and hardware divisions working as one, which of course they never did.

I for one welcomed iOS with welcome arms after putting up with the half baked ****e that was Symbian for so many years.

[Duncan James Waugh]

Just give it up Duncan, you can't change back time, they did what they did and there now a MS devision, which even with good cash reserves would always of happened without a complete ecosystem. Which Nokia would never had achieved without their software and hardware divisions working as one, which of course they never did.

I for one welcomed iOS with welcome arms after putting up with the half baked ****e that was Symbian for so many years.

I'm not trying to change back time, just correct misconceptions of what really happened. The Nokia ecosystem was quite profitable for application developers during the Symbian days. I see nothing wrong in trying to correct badly informed, revisionist history.

As for your iOS comment and Symbian being "****e" you probably never used the Symbian^3 lineup which is what any judgement of Symbian should be based on - you don't judge Windows XP based on Windows 95 do you?

I don't see why I should be told to shutup just because you don't like some of the additional facts that I have added to a relevant factual discussion. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what I am allowed to post about on the forum in future? If you like perhaps you can give me you e-mail address and I can e-mail any future posts through to get your approval before posting?

I suppose we should also do away with the Retro forum, perhaps delete any posts dealing with PS2 games now and so on?

[Lebowski]

My brother used to swear by his Symbian smartphone hes an Android user now but he still goes on about his Nokia Symbian phone (It got sent to an early grave thanks to the washing machine.) He had it for years and it was still going strong before water damage, forced him to switch. The os wasn't pretty it had a ton of issues but it was a great phone in its day. If they had kept it going it would seem that Nokia would have had an android contender instead of the windows phone flop they have.

[QualityChimp]

It was a question, more than a statement Dunc. I promise I wasn't trying to tell you how to suck eggs!

It does seem like "The Elop Effect" (I think I have their first album) is the major reason for their demise, but I'm surprised how popular Symbian was and it couldn't have carried on forever when people started seeing iPhones?

Nice charts, but I believe mine is more accurate:
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[fishbowlhead]

I'm not trying to change back time, just correct misconceptions of what really happened. The Nokia ecosystem was quite profitable for application developers during the Symbian days. I see nothing wrong in trying to correct badly informed, revisionist history.

As for your iOS comment and Symbian being "****e" you probably never used the Symbian^3 lineup which is what any judgement of Symbian should be based on - you don't judge Windows XP based on Windows 95 do you?

I don't see why I should be told to shutup just because you don't like some of the additional facts that I have added to a relevant factual discussion. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what I am allowed to post about on the forum in future? If you like perhaps you can give me you e-mail address and I can e-mail any future posts through to get your approval before posting?

I suppose we should also do away with the Retro forum, perhaps delete any posts dealing with PS2 games now and so on?

I said to give it up, not shut up, you've peddled this argument about how great nokia was in quite a few threads now, if they were so great, they would of changed and adapted as soon as they saw ios, which they didn't, they carried on with underpowered hardware, with half baked software and ultimately fell, and yes i used all their phones extensively, thanks.

No you dont need to add me to any sort of mailing list, thanks. Lets keep the snarky comments to a minimum too eh?

[Panta Rhei]

Symbian was incredibly big because it was used in the cheapest handsets, bought by about the whole of the second world countries and by people who didn't know or care what an OS or Smartphone was.

But lets be clear, Symbian was complete trash for those who did care about an OS and actual media features. There weren't many apps, development and licensing was a nightmare, everything was expensive. And it just didn't work well, with that Ovi crap. Maybe Symbian 3 was good, I don't know, but... it was too late. Much like WP7 was too late. Android and iOS were way too big already.

Could Symbian have been a success? Sure. If they followed suit with iOS right away, like Google quickly jumped in with Android. Symbian was still trash in 2008. Nokia still ran terrible phones back then, like the N95. Imo, then banked on Symbian for too long and then bet on the wrong horse with Windows.

[Brad]

Ovi Maps was Nokia's best feature. Everything else was garbage, even on later devices. The way everything was laid out was just thrown together. Their system for managing 'connections' was insane! They were unable to compete in the new market; they simply didn't know what to do.

[charlesr]

Symbian was great in terms of features, but not for useability (imho) - little of it made sense, although having said that, nothing on iOS makes sense to me either (android seems to know where to put stuff in settings). It did multitasking way before iOS allowed it, so I could use sports-tracker and listen to music and swap back and forth between stuff easily and the homescreen was very customisable. The Nokia phone I used (5800 express music) was underpowered, but totally indestructible (screen had a ridge around it) and had the loudest pair of stereo speakers I've heard on a phone Some people at Le Mans campsite were trying to listen to music from their iPhones and making speaker enclosures out of empty cola bottles and stuff - still quiet. I pulled out the 5800 and blew them all away with my awesome pumping treble

[bash]

****ing hell, not another symbian was great, no it was ****e debate?

I thought this thread was about non MS selling off Xbox division rumours FFS?

[Lebowski]

The real reason to get a Nokia



they know how to make a phone that can take a beating

[charlesr]

lol. And yeah, er topic steering needed.

If I was to buy the Xbox brand, I'd rename the Xbox1 as the Xbox5 which clearly makes it better than the PS4. Bigger number. I'd also ditch the kinect camera and just make it a microphone and thus slice ?70 off the price. And stop paying Rare to build rubbish like Kinect sports rivals. Instead I'd get them to make Shenmue 3 thus guaranteeing more sales than kinect sports and Fighter Within combined.

[Brad]

Fighter within is ?4.99 in my HMV lol.

I think I want Sunset Overdrive though. Completely off my radar until today but I love all the art that Insomniac are spamming all over the web right now.

[Lebowski]

Microsoft downplaying it as gates response was more out of a suport for nadel than an actual plan to sell of xbox

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-06-microsoft-downplays-bill-gates-pledge-to-support-potential-xbox-spin-off

[charlesr]

Maybe the execs haven't had time to buy enough shares yet before actually announcing it.