Super Smash Bros Ultimate

[Asura]

Any future Smash entries would presumably need a complete retool, new approach and new roster... frankly something that should have happened with the third game. I'm fine with Ultimate mostly on it being a compendium more than a sequel but for me Smash is a bit stale and in need of a shot in its veins so I'll happily take big changes for the next game.

I don't see that happening. Nintendo is more likely to create a new fighter (in fact, ARMS is kinda this).

Revamping franchises just never works these days. Even if you make a good game, people will complain that you're exploiting the brand and rail against it.

[Neon Ignition]

I wish they would though, the concept of Smash is technically fine but it relies on the mechanic of knocking out of ring too heavily for my tastes. The endless bounding back onto platforms is one of the games most tedious mechanics. A retool of the actual combat coupled with a gutting of the characters for new ones would be very welcome for me.

[speedlolita]

Smash is Smash. If they amalgamate Melee and Smash4 into one game successfully they will only ever need to worry about maybe adding new stuff over the coming years. What we need is a reason to never have to go back to Melee/ProjectM. You can't go changing the formula. It's absolutely sacrosanct, and for good reason.

Saying Smash needs to change is like going back to 1995 and saying mainline Street Fighter needs to go full 3D like Tekken. If that'd have been the case we wouldn't have ended up with Third Strike. Actually, what Street Fighter now needs is a 4th entry to Street Fighter 3... Which would consist solely of balance adjustments, whole new backgrounds, and an additional four or five characters at most.

Maybe they can do more with single-player. A VF4 EVO style arcade mode would really open up the game for most players who don't really get what the game is about. But once you get to that place it's pure crack. The best way in doing so is to play with other people, ideally in a local multiplayer environment - it's not a very hard game to get hooked on, and it's one that's also easy to rapidly improve at.

The issue with this is that Sakurai (apparently) abhors how Melee's metagame developed, which is why Brawl was as it was. Given how Sm4sh is I can't see them leaning that far into what Melee was and exists to be. Plus I mean, Melee exists, and people aren't going to stop playing it any time soon.

As many people entered Evo for Melee as Smash 4, which says it all to me. https://twitter.com/MrWiz/status/1020203089670782976

I think you're way off the mark with your SFIII suggestion too. Nobody would care about that. Despite being a masterpiece Third Strike wasn't even that popular. Plus Third Strike is perfect as is, ner. lol

[Neon Ignition]

I always suspect that Nintendo doesn't really know how to process the enduring popularity of Melee beyond needlessly rereleasing the Gamecube controller each generation. It's popularity and Project M's are a happy accidental quirk of fate from a company that up until the last year or two didn't give a fig about the niche Evo etc audience. Beyond post-release tweaks and support most companies should ignore such fanbases as a rule.

[dataDave]

Plus Third Strike is perfect as is, ner. lol

Massive balancing issues though man, even at intermediate play. You've got to really put yourself out to indulge further than Ken, Yun, Chun Li. In an age where most things are balanced wonderfully it'd be nice to see the penultimate 2D fighter get the same treatment with a fourth iteration. 3S may not have been as popular as World Warrior back in the day, but since then it has generated a huge fanbase - and coming off the back of SFV it'd absolutely crush it.

Anyway, my point was that if a fourth iteration of SFIII did exist it wouldn't be in any way a departure from the SFIII series. A complete change for Smash would turn it into some kind of third-person arena fighter or something else crazy which is what I think @Superman_Falls is suggesting, either that or an MvC3 clone. Coming from Nintendo/NamcoBandai it'd probably be a good game, but it'd be Smash in name only.

The whole name 'Smash' comes from smashing stuff off of stages with Smash Attacks. I'm not sure where else we go from there!(?).

[dataDave]

I'm desperate for some Smash now. I was doing great with StarCraft II as well.

[Neon Ignition]

For me, I think I'd like the frequency of the arena knocks outs to be toned down so the match culminated in them more than was based around them. I know Smash games off a lot of match customisation but I'd prefer the core moveset to more closely mirror that of typical fighters with longer bouts of proper combo and special move play which increased the damage over time rather than picking up an item and then BLAM. Then for the arenas to be more creative in structure. It'd be a shake up but not beyond what Mario Kart has seen since SMK

[importaku]

Ironically the thing i enjoyed most about smash was the trophy collecting. Only used to play the modes to unlock them, enjoyed going through reading all the info on each & veiwing the models from all angles.

[kryss]

Ironically the thing i enjoyed most about smash was the trophy collecting. Only used to play the modes to unlock them, enjoyed going through reading all the info on each & viewing the models from all angles.

Don't worry, enough time in Japan and you automatically go for the upskirt. It just becomes second nature. Spent most of my MHW time this week doing just that.

->Open Spoiler<-

Quoted just 'cos.

edit: nope, can't do it. had to put it in spoiler tags.

[Blobcat]

Got to play some at MCM comic-con in London yesterday. Certainly looks nice enough, had time to play 2 games. One as Pikachu (my usual in smash games) and Squid girl/ inkling in my second game. Not all players were available on the screen, just about 2 rows and a question mark block I assumed I could have selected a random from there.

Struggled with squid girl but had some interesting moves with the paint roller. Only gripe I had was the controls. I don't know if it was me not using a pro controller before had an impact on it to and perhaps the controllers were knackered but, I felt there was quite a delay in the controls, similar but not as bad as brawl.

I really hope the controller was knackered. Still, my pre-order payment came out the bank recently and still looking forward to it and more amiibo designs.

[hudson]

Why is Smash Bros good? I tried the Wii version briefly and I just got battered by the AI. It seemed too hectic. I want to like it though.

[kryss]

Playing against real people it can be so much fun, playing with yourself is as fun as you make it. Literally and figuratively.

[Dogg Thang]

Why is Smash Bros good? I tried the Wii version briefly and I just got battered by the AI. It seemed too hectic. I want to like it though.

I don’t believe anyone will ever be able to tell you why it is good in a way that changes your own experience. If you stick at it maybe it will click, turning it from a poor experience into a great one (Hotline Miami for me, for example), or you’ll buy three generations of it and realise you never really liked it and always wished it was something it isn’t (Smash Bros for me). Or you just make the call and decide it’s not for you now. But appreciating it, if you do at some point, will come down to playing it rather than someone describing it.

[teddymeow]

Why is Smash Bros good? I tried the Wii version briefly and I just got battered by the AI. It seemed too hectic. I want to like it though.

I've never really clicked with Smash but have bought them all in the hope that the newest one will be the one that I "get".

So, I've got Ultimate on order with Smyths (extra £5 off for in store C&C) so we'll see how quickly it ends up in the trade forum.

[dataDave]

Once you have a room of friends it clicks instantly. Over the course of maybe three or four matches people work out their own little bits of cheesy/annoying/effective tech. Other people counter that, to and fro, and then the game builds from there.

It's a very sociable game. I don't think anyone is ever going to be able to get into it alone.