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    Beta Leaks: The Debate

    Having read hundreds of forum posts (most inane) on various beta leaks, I felt a thread was in order for the objective discussion of this phenomena. Without a recent leak having occurred, I'm hoping this won't degenerate into a warez/flame thread.

    Personally, I simply don't know what to think about leaks. Though I wouldn't hesistate in denouncing them as detrimental to the positive marketing of a game and the subsequent appeal of the finished product, I always end up flippin' getting them. I get them because I like the (very) vague hints they can give as to a game's quality - often aspects of the game that published hands-on impressions overlook or simply cannot put into words. The Half Life 2 beta, for example, conveys much of the game's curious atmosphere - the warm sunsets and glowing skies clashing completely with the rust and decay of an eastern bloc skyline. It's a simple and crude demonstration of what's in store, but also the only thing that has so far convinced me of the game's true quality (well, that and the physics making me fill my pants).

    That said, I left the beta well alone after about five minutes of playing around; I could sense massive spoilers could be around any corner and, beyond a quick impression, further exposure to the game's unfinished state would only do harm to the final version. Suffice to say, however, HL2 seems destined to fulfil every ounce of the hype.

    Regarding Doom III, I played the leaked alpha again out of sheer curiosity. Now I await the game even more fervently because I know how incredible it looked back then - I can only imagine what it'll look like in July.

    But as much as I've drawn these small benefits from the leaks, I'll never condone them. I could, for example, quite easily have completely ruined HL2's plot through a misdirected minute of playing the beta - others will let their curiosity lead them to every corner of what's there and the game's appeal for them will suffer. I'm not going to say that they're getting what they deserve because, for many of us, curiosity is an irresistable force. Better that the opportunity didn't present itself to begin with, and let's face it - these things don't get leaked by accident.

    What really annoyed me about the HL2 beta, above all the whining in threads and complete idiocy of some 'gamers', was the arrogance of the anonymous leaker. To suggest that somehow Valve deserved it because they 'lied' to consumers is utterly insane. Marketing people make tall claims, developers make ambitious deadlines and the slippage of release dates is always the result. This happens everywhere - how many movies get delayed for far lazier reasons than the fact that they're not finished? It's Valve's game, they can make it to whatever standard they wish and release it whenever they wish; if that outlook serves to disadvantage anyone it'll be Valve and Sierra themselves when their sales figures drop.

    To suggest that Gabe Newell's fancy for 'fictitious' release dates is somehow an affront to hardcore gamers is also quite dumb. Anyone who buys a very expensive graphics card purely to meet the vague deadline of a game's release is being over-zealous at best, a complete muppet to be frank. What possible reason could there be for not waiting and getting the same card cheaper alongside the game's release?

    I'm digressing. Essentially, I want to know what a literate community like this has to think on the subject. Are these leaks completely without merit? Are the leakers themselves somehow justified? Do the developers/publishers sometimes deserve what they get? Enlighten me.

    #2
    Hardcore Gamers would upgrade their gfx cards anyway, regardless. It's the wannabe Hardcore, that wish to upgrade their PC's for one single game, while trying to keep abrest with the formentioned Hardcore "Elite"

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      #3
      It wasn't vague release date though, was it? It was "September 30th, definitely. This game isn't going to be delayed" and a whole lot of other bull and crap in EDGE.
      Valve were idiotic morons who can't project a reliable release date, come clean to it's fans, or even operate a remotely secure network. One wonders if this incompetence spreads towards to the game itself.

      I haven't played the leak, in fact I despise such things. Not played the Doom III alpha, the Stalker leak or anything. I don't pirate games and despise those (both on this forum and off of it) who do pirate modern games. Emulation I don't do personally either, but I do accept that since the only people who would make money off me buying a copy of Paper Mario are Ebay and the seller, and NOT the developer, I can appreciate why some do it.

      Leaks are merely another form of pirating. It's damaging to the company. And as much as I dislike Valve's practices, I wouldn't have wanted them to have been sued by the owners of the Havok engine for negligence/incompetence. You play the leak, and you condone the pirater's action. Thus you accept the consequences. It's like knowingly buying/receiving stolen goods. You accept that somewhere, someone is in trouble.

      I'll quite happily play the demo for months and months on end. But I won't play a game that's obtained by illegal means.

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        #4
        Hmm, while the HL2 beta leak was obviously an act of theft, I'm not sure that it fits into the picture of modern day piracy. In it's practical form, I envisage piracy as being the obtaining/distributing of a final/near-final product as an alternative to actually buying it. This directly harms the future development of said games and shows a distinct lack of respect for said developers.

        A beta leak, however, is not the finished product. It's a glimpse at what's in store and, usually, totally unplayable. The betas of both HL2 and Doom III have done nothing to change the fact that I'll be buying both the moment they're released; in fact, I dare suggest that my subsequent rants about their apparent qualities will only serve to boost eventual sales.

        I should stress that I'm speaking from a consumer point of view here. I'm not talking about those who seek to perform code theft or other such development issues. The implications and ethics of that behaviour require no debate.

        It's a genuine shame about the HL2 source code leak. While the Doom III binaries leak may have dented iD's relationship with ATi, the leaking of uncompiled Source/Havok engine code does far greater damage to many different parties.
        Last edited by Inertia_; 27-05-2004, 13:54.

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          #5
          It seems to depend entirely on what is leaked. As you allude to, on the surface, the D3 alpha wasn't a big deal, and although there were probably rumblings of "why doesn't this own on my PC", there was always the obvious "it's an alpha, you muppet" retort. People who I've talked to are apparently even more hyped about getting their hands on said game now.

          HL2 was different. Sure, be pissed at Value. Hell, be pissed at MS all you want. Leaked source code is **** full stop, wherever it comes from. It serves no purpose but to pamper to the ego of the ass hats to peddle it. I'm sure there are more than a few Counterstrike fans reading this forum. Sure, it can look like a **** game, but regulars will see the goods points of it. Unfortunately, it's burried with wall hacks and the like. What now for Counterstrike2, which I'm assuming will be HL2 based? It just makes you sick.

          Heh Crispin, sounds like our chat the other day was in vein then.

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            #6
            Yeah, I don't know what came over me, I've decided to wait for Longhorn. Wish they'd hurry up. The problem with XP is that it works. Which is boring.

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